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anyone play league? I've recently become hooked.

I've decided to necro this thread instead of making a new one. An IRL friend and I just recently started playing. I'm like level 6 and haven't bought any champions (I only intend to do so with IP and the 400 RP I got for free).

Wingnut, you still around? My username is LinkCelestrial.

What champions would you guys recommend for somebody that loves to play DPS in general and likes being the one chasing people around?

So far the only one that fits the bill (that I've tried) is Ashe but she's more of a carry. Messing she's not as fun early game. Which is okay but I want a little more...well more.

I'm debating trying Annie to fill this slot. Good idea? Bad idea? How is she in general?

Two of the "expensive" characters that I'm looking at are Twisted Fate (cause he seems like a badass) and Riven, cause she seems like a badass, has a buster sword equivalent and looks like she fits my play style.

Any recommendations on characters to try jungling with?

The vocalist for my best friends band does the voices of Jax, Draven, and a couple smaller characters.

Quote from: LinkCelestrial on March 12, 2015, 01:24:16 PM
I've decided to necro this thread instead of making a new one. An IRL friend and I just recently started playing. I'm like level 6 and haven't bought any champions (I only intend to do so with IP and the 400 RP I got for free).

Wingnut, you still around? My username is LinkCelestrial.

What champions would you guys recommend for somebody that loves to play DPS in general and likes being the one chasing people around?

So far the only one that fits the bill (that I've tried) is Ashe but she's more of a carry. Messing she's not as fun early game. Which is okay but I want a little more...well more.

I'm debating trying Annie to fill this slot. Good idea? Bad idea? How is she in general?

Two of the "expensive" characters that I'm looking at are Twisted Fate (cause he seems like a badass) and Riven, cause she seems like a badass, has a buster sword equivalent and looks like she fits my play style.

Any recommendations on characters to try jungling with?

I'm still here, I've been so addicted to this game, I'm still only level 14 myself, so I have a TON to learn. The only characters I have purchase are Karma (my homegirl), morgana and sonaka (I think that's her name). I enjoy the support role for some reason, I find it more challenging. I also run ok mid, usually with morgana. I tried to jungle last night for the first time, it was literally horrible (I ended 1/9/0, I was useless). I'll try to friend you tonight, hope you have skype.

I thought Morgana looked fun. I think I'm gonna just use the free champions and save up for Riven. Maybe buy Ashe just so I have a reliable character that I'm decent with.

I really want to try jungling. Maybe I'll just do it in a private match vs bots to see if it suits me.

My house is usually really noisy when I'm playing games (due to other people). So Skype isn't the best bet, and when I can I use Razer Comms anyways.

Quote from: LinkCelestrial on March 12, 2015, 06:18:37 PM
I thought Morgana looked fun. I think I'm gonna just use the free champions and save up for Riven. Maybe buy Ashe just so I have a reliable character that I'm decent with.

I really want to try jungling. Maybe I'll just do it in a private match vs bots to see if it suits me.

My house is usually really noisy when I'm playing games (due to other people). So Skype isn't the best bet, and when I can I use Razer Comms anyways.

Love this game, wish I had more time to play. I'm only level 12 since I got hooked, then stopped for a month and a half, then started again.

Keep in mind that bots don't jungle at all so you might just want to try it in a match vs. people. But wait a while, I suggest. I hear jungling is difficult. :P


I love ADCs, play a lot of Varus and just got gifted Caitlyn so I can play her more now too :D Also have Leblanc for mid but I just don't have the skill to play her yet :( .

Sent you a friend request link. I've been playing every night lately. Gotta grind to get better. Jungling is tough. Once is t enough, it's gonna take a few dozen times to get the feel. Just lane for a bit and grind away at that. Once that loses its fun, then try to jungle. That's what I'm doing

I've played too much league in the last 4 or 5 years, but you guys can add me if you want some pointers :)

My main account: gtfotis

My smurf: Fapcom

Quote from: gtfotis on March 13, 2015, 02:22:20 AM
I've played too much league in the last 4 or 5 years, but you guys can add me if you want some pointers :)

My main account: gtfotis

My smurf: Fapcom

What does smurf mean in this sense?

Quote from: particle on March 13, 2015, 09:53:22 AM

Quote from: gtfotis on March 13, 2015, 02:22:20 AM
I've played too much league in the last 4 or 5 years, but you guys can add me if you want some pointers :)

My main account: gtfotis

My smurf: Fapcom

What does smurf mean in this sense?

The game automatically matches you with other players at your smile level based on the level of your profile. So what some people do that have accounts that are high level is they open a new account (surf account) so the competition level is lower and you can chill and have fun. It sounds shadey but it's not, it just makes it so you don't have to be ultra competitive anymore and can just enjoy the game instead of having to stress about it.

I made mine as a backup because I've been thinking about selling my account. Gold season 3 so it has victorious Elise, along with 109 other skins ranging from Kitty Kat Katarina to Championship Riven, to other skins that aren't available anymore.

I also really liked the name Fapcom, but my stream and all my social media and everything is gtfotis, lol

Most people make smurfs to make themselves feel better after losing a match on their main accounts, haha

Quote from: gtfotis on March 13, 2015, 12:43:29 PM
I made mine as a backup because I've been thinking about selling my account. Gold season 3 so it has victorious Elise, along with 109 other skins ranging from Kitty Kat Katarina to Championship Riven, to other skins that aren't available anymore.

I also really liked the name Fapcom, but my stream and all my social media and everything is gtfotis, lol

Most people make smurfs to make themselves feel better after losing a match on their main accounts, haha

We've got a real MVP up in here! xD

I didn't know that was a thing nevermind that it had a term. Sounds like a good idea. Out of curiosity how much is your account worth?

Quote from: LinkCelestrial on March 13, 2015, 02:42:52 PM

Quote from: gtfotis on March 13, 2015, 12:43:29 PM
I made mine as a backup because I've been thinking about selling my account. Gold season 3 so it has victorious Elise, along with 109 other skins ranging from Kitty Kat Katarina to Championship Riven, to other skins that aren't available anymore.

I also really liked the name Fapcom, but my stream and all my social media and everything is gtfotis, lol

Most people make smurfs to make themselves feel better after losing a match on their main accounts, haha

We've got a real MVP up in here! xD

I didn't know that was a thing nevermind that it had a term. Sounds like a good idea. Out of curiosity how much is your account worth?

Not sure, haha too many variables with the value of skins that have been made unavailable, unique summoner icons, and the value of gold reward skins :(

I know championship riven skin cards are like $300 though

Quote from: gtfotis on March 13, 2015, 05:49:58 PM

Quote from: LinkCelestrial on March 13, 2015, 02:42:52 PM

Quote from: gtfotis on March 13, 2015, 12:43:29 PM
I made mine as a backup because I've been thinking about selling my account. Gold season 3 so it has victorious Elise, along with 109 other skins ranging from Kitty Kat Katarina to Championship Riven, to other skins that aren't available anymore.

I also really liked the name Fapcom, but my stream and all my social media and everything is gtfotis, lol

Most people make smurfs to make themselves feel better after losing a match on their main accounts, haha

We've got a real MVP up in here! xD

I didn't know that was a thing nevermind that it had a term. Sounds like a good idea. Out of curiosity how much is your account worth?

Not sure, haha too many variables with the value of skins that have been made unavailable, unique summoner icons, and the value of gold reward skins :(

I know championship riven skin cards are like $300 though

I'll never understand spending that kind of money on aesthetics... If I was you I'd have sold it. You can also buy a name change card first so you can make another account by your name. It'd be a selling feature too as you could advertise that they can pick a name for it. Just a thought.

I've official decided to save up for Riven as I just played her (cause I'm finally level 6) and completely destroyed until I went overly aggressive and died a few times. Not worrying about mana is amaze. Broken Wings is insane damage fast and mobile, her stun is great as an escape, saving team mates or holding someone to put in the finishing touches on their death. Valour is a great escape and is especially useful in tower diving and countering stuns.

She is the DPS face smasher I've been looking for.

Quote from: gtfotis on March 13, 2015, 02:22:20 AM
I've played too much league in the last 4 or 5 years, but you guys can add me if you want some pointers :)

My main account: gtfotis

My smurf: Fapcom

Will be adding you, I'm Fa1c0n1 over there :)

Quote from: E.kann1 on March 14, 2015, 10:41:31 AM

Quote from: gtfotis on March 13, 2015, 02:22:20 AM
I've played too much league in the last 4 or 5 years, but you guys can add me if you want some pointers :)

My main account: gtfotis

My smurf: Fapcom

Will be adding you, I'm Fa1c0n1 over there :)

I'll send you a request E.kann, ignore if you choose. I'm at your level so we can be just ok together.

Wingnut and I played a game last night. We had a leave and an afk so it ended up being 3v5. We held on for a while and I managed to do well enough to have a bunch of attempts at my life. It was fun but we lost. 8/7/2.

Quote from: LinkCelestrial on March 14, 2015, 03:47:02 PM
Wingnut and I played a game last night. We had a leave and an afk so it ended up being 3v5. We held on for a while and I managed to do well enough to have a bunch of attempts at my life. It was fun but we lost. 8/7/2.

Yeah it was a rough one. It was your first pvp correct link? 8/7/2 is solid for a first against humans.

Anyone who wants to send me a request, please do :) just pm me (and tell me if your LOL username is different from your imtg name) and let me know or I may delete it accidentally :(

Anyone up for a game this afternoon?

Quote from: E.kann1 on March 14, 2015, 04:50:49 PM
Anyone who wants to send me a request, please do :) just pm me (and tell me if your LOL username is different from your imtg name) and let me know or I may delete it accidentally :(

Anyone up for a game this afternoon?

I should be In. My profile is wingnut0220.

Quote from: Wingnut on March 14, 2015, 03:59:27 PM

Quote from: LinkCelestrial on March 14, 2015, 03:47:02 PM
Wingnut and I played a game last night. We had a leave and an afk so it ended up being 3v5. We held on for a while and I managed to do well enough to have a bunch of attempts at my life. It was fun but we lost. 8/7/2.

Yeah it was a rough one. It was your first pvp correct link? 8/7/2 is solid for a first against humans.

Yes it was.

Hey, level 30 here. Only bronze 4 as i never do ranked. I am happy play with anyone at any time, username is
redwolv
And me if any of you want to play.

Will do, I'm Fa1c0n1 over there :)

If anyone's up for a game today just pm me, I'm pretty unbusy all day :)

Quote from: E.kann1 on March 21, 2015, 10:29:18 AM
If anyone's up for a game today just pm me, I'm pretty unbusy all day :)

I'll be on later, hopefully you'll be around.

This game has been ruined for me. Why?

"I'm the one that gets to be on top, BIZNATCHES!"

I can't plan laning without it sounding dirty...

Whee, just took a 3v5 to 50 minutes before losing, got to lvl 18 full build Caitlyn in the process. 14/3/14 record at the end. Pretty proud of myself :P

Quote from: E.kann1 on March 23, 2015, 05:52:54 PM
Whee, just took a 3v5 to 50 minutes before losing, got to lvl 18 full build Caitlyn in the process. 14/3/14 record at the end. Pretty proud of myself :P

Impressive. I had a similar situation and barely managed to go 8/7/5 (I think 5). Lately my team has been giving up then playing poorly when the surrender vote fails...it ticks me off.

Riven is my favourite champion ATM. Burst damage. Unce. I'm saving up for Ahri because Kitsune, 9 tailed fox, and she's DPS.

So I'm playing a game yesterday vs bots on beginner because a new person joined our group. I'm top laning Riven, get early kills and start building a massive lead. Eventually this progresses to me being just short of full build, 2+ levels higher than the opposition and steamrolling hard. Our mid land gets pushed by four champions so I rush down to defend. Jump in, Broken Wings combo, get a kill, Valour and Ki Burst into basics for another. Activate Blade of the Exile, Broken Wings for another then finish a runner with Wind Slash. Then I'm chasing down the last kill at their base for an Ace and Pentakill. Start the Broken Wings combo then my friend, playing Shyvana, fires off her fireball thing and pentakill jacks me!

I thought it was hilarious.

I rescent picked up twitch. He is frigggen fun, I'm starting to get the feel for him. We took a 4v5 last night, pulling out a 16/4/16, easily my best game. I'm liking him.

Quote from: Wingnut on March 23, 2015, 07:17:25 PM
I rescent picked up twitch. He is frigggen fun, I'm starting to get the feel for him. We took a 4v5 last night, pulling out a 16/4/16, easily my best game. I'm liking him.

His lore is horrifying yet hilarious. He looks fun but not quite my style.

I prefer cait personally. Better poke, better range, etc.

A couple good games with gtfotis last night. Hanging with his group is a pretty solid step up in competition for me, looking forward to more.

Anyone up for a game today? Send me a message on league I should be around. Rainy and snowy outside, not a good combination :(

Have you guys run into a lot of people lately that simply will NOT work with the team? Even from the champion selection screen they literally tell you to go screw, they are going to go to the lane of their choice?

I've had a larger amount of afks recently, but haven't seen those people so much. Luckily.

I keep having people give up. Everybody I've played with has been pretty nice. Then again I usually play with some IRL friends.

Quote from: Wingnut on March 28, 2015, 12:22:52 PM
Have you guys run into a lot of people lately that simply will NOT work with the team? Even from the champion selection screen they literally tell you to go screw, they are going to go to the lane of their choice?

The league community is full of people like this, haha

Well, just surrendered a game with 1 intentional feeder and one afk. So much fun...

Quote from: E.kann1 on March 29, 2015, 01:20:49 PM
Well, just surrendered a game with 1 intentional feeder and one afk. So much fun...

Report the feeder if it's not too late.

Quote from: LinkCelestrial on March 29, 2015, 01:24:14 PM

Quote from: E.kann1 on March 29, 2015, 01:20:49 PM
Well, just surrendered a game with 1 intentional feeder and one afk. So much fun...

Report the feeder if it's not too late.

Oh I definitely did.

And then I jumped in another game where we had an Ashe top for a while, then mid, then bot, then we surrendered at 25. Bad luck with teams today. :/

Quote from: E.kann1 on March 29, 2015, 04:01:28 PM

Quote from: LinkCelestrial on March 29, 2015, 01:24:14 PM

Quote from: E.kann1 on March 29, 2015, 01:20:49 PM
Well, just surrendered a game with 1 intentional feeder and one afk. So much fun...

Report the feeder if it's not too late.

Oh I definitely did.

And then I jumped in another game where we had an Ashe top for a while, then mid, then bot, then we surrendered at 25. Bad luck with teams today. :/

That's why I've been playing with people I know IRL.

Last night my enemy team had a cho'gath mid who was pushed to his tower in the early game cause his jungler didn't come and help in right rhen and there he got pissed and fed our team hard. Full on walking ounder towers and sitting there. Needless to say they could surive a really fed jinx(me)

Last night my enemy team had a cho'gath mid who was pushed to his tower in the early game cause his jungler didn't come and help in right rhen and there he got pissed and fed our team hard. Full on walking ounder towers and sitting there. Needless to say they could surive a really fed jinx(me)

Quote from: redwolv on March 31, 2015, 12:35:22 AM
Last night my enemy team had a cho'gath mid who was pushed to his tower in the early game cause his jungler didn't come and help in right rhen and there he got pissed and fed our team hard. Full on walking ounder towers and sitting there. Needless to say they could surive a really fed jinx(me)

It really frustrates me when that happens. Did you report him?

I've been messing around with support playing Braum. It's fun but I keep accidentally getting kills... Also I never remember any of the actives on items I buy. Awkward.

Quote from: E.kann1 on March 31, 2015, 07:02:27 PM
I've been messing around with support playing Braum. It's fun but I keep accidentally getting kills... Also I never remember any of the actives on items I buy. Awkward.

I tried him. I was super good at attack syncing to hand out last hits, backing off to give the ADC the kill. I was okay with his abilities, but he really needs smart casting. Like really.

I also suck with using actives. Doesn't matter what I'm playing.

Smartcasting is so much easier. I started using it a little while ago and don't know how I used to play with anything else! :P

I can see how he'd be pretty impossible without smartcasting.

Also learn to play with your camra semi or fully unlocked. It really helps with being aware of your surrounding

Semi unlocked?

I cannot stand running mine locked. I don't know how people do it.

I play unlocked, you can hold space to lock the camera until you release it

I play semi unlocked. I've died a few times getting used to it.

Me! I just started though. I main Annie and sometimes use Ashe. I'm only like level 10.

Quote from: Ponyboy Curtis on April 05, 2015, 03:16:32 PM
Me! I just started though. I main Annie and sometimes use Ashe. I'm only like level 10.

Welcome, the game is amazing and WAY more difficult than the initial impression. My name is wingnut0220 feel free to friend.

Quote from: Wingnut on April 05, 2015, 03:52:55 PM

Quote from: Ponyboy Curtis on April 05, 2015, 03:16:32 PM
Me! I just started though. I main Annie and sometimes use Ashe. I'm only like level 10.

Welcome, the game is amazing and WAY more difficult than the initial impression. My name is wingnut0220 feel free to friend.

Add me too! :) Fa1c0n1 is my name.

A good thing to do is try and find at least one person per role (top, jungle, mid, adc, support) you can play. As you get to 30/ranked some people start getting trolly if they don't get the role they want cause it is the only one they can play and being able to back off and fill the role needed is good.

Also learning to play each role helps to to know how the enemy will act. Mid lane just recalled but the enemy dissappeared? Expect a gank. Enemy jungler falling behind? Probably gonna spend some time farming.

Quote from: redwolv on April 06, 2015, 01:39:13 PM
A good thing to do is try and find at least one person per role (top, jungle, mid, adc, support) you can play. As you get to 30/ranked some people start getting trolly if they don't get the role they want cause it is the only one they can play and being able to back off and fill the role needed is good.

Also learning to play each role helps to to know how the enemy will act. Mid lane just recalled but the enemy dissappeared? Expect a gank. Enemy jungler falling behind? Probably gonna spend some time farming.

This, and make sure you work with your team. I have had a hard time adapting my brain to this game. A lot of us have trained ourselves to get kills (battlefield, call of duty, quake, what ever it may be). But your personal kills simply do not matter for a second. It is 100% about whether your team wins the match or not. Do what need to happen for your team to win the match. Going 20/20/0 is not a good game, because you gave up 16 deaths worth of gold. 0/0/20 can actually be a better game. #1 goal should simply be, don't die. #2 is don't let your team mates die, #3 destroy the nexus. If you get kills in the process, than sweet.

0/0/20 is godlike and it's way better than 20/20/0, no questions asked.

Quote from: gtfotis on April 06, 2015, 07:25:49 PM
0/0/20 is godlike and it's way better than 20/20/0, no questions asked.

See that's completely my point, but most of the "popular" mainstream games 20/20 is going to be mid pack. It's a huge swing of your mental game. The idea that you can help your team win in a big way by simply not dying. It just took me a bit to change my mind set (which I still struggle with), I would assume that others have gone through the same thing. But I could be wrong.

Quote from: Wingnut on April 06, 2015, 07:46:10 PM

Quote from: gtfotis on April 06, 2015, 07:25:49 PM
0/0/20 is godlike and it's way better than 20/20/0, no questions asked.

See that's completely my point, but most of the "popular" mainstream games 20/20 is going to be mid pack. It's a huge swing of your mental game. The idea that you can help your team win in a big way by simply not dying. It just took me a bit to change my mind set (which I still struggle with), I would assume that others have gone through the same thing. But I could be wrong.

In most games, getting killed doesn't increase your enemy's power, so you really need to keep those deaths low. You'll notice in more pro level matches that there will barely be any kills in the first twenty minutes of a match, you focus on getting as much cs as you can to gain the upper hand. If you think about it, a kill is only worth about 15 cs (without factoring in assists) the goal is 100 cs per 10 minutes for your adc/top/mid lane

Quote from: gtfotis on April 07, 2015, 03:31:26 AM

Quote from: Wingnut on April 06, 2015, 07:46:10 PM

Quote from: gtfotis on April 06, 2015, 07:25:49 PM
0/0/20 is godlike and it's way better than 20/20/0, no questions asked.

See that's completely my point, but most of the "popular" mainstream games 20/20 is going to be mid pack. It's a huge swing of your mental game. The idea that you can help your team win in a big way by simply not dying. It just took me a bit to change my mind set (which I still struggle with), I would assume that others have gone through the same thing. But I could be wrong.

In most games, getting killed doesn't increase your enemy's power, so you really need to keep those deaths low. You'll notice in more pro level matches that there will barely be any kills in the first twenty minutes of a match, you focus on getting as much cs as you can to gain the upper hand. If you think about it, a kill is only worth about 15 cs (without factoring in assists) the goal is 100 cs per 10 minutes for your adc/top/mid lane

100cs per ten minutes is ridiculous. I've heard 75 is benchmark for diamond. If you're getting 100cs per ten minutes you're playing against a really passive opponent, or you need to consider going pro.

There's a YouTuber ned Gbay99 that's helped me a lot. He has a video about how much your deaths matter and another about preventing them.

The problem is everybody is so used to playing aggressively. Especially if they start losing, get mad, then they start feeding cause they're going for revenge. 9/10 times it's better to play passively. Figure out your burst, be opportunistic and capitalize on mistakes. One of my best games I went 3/5/15. I was support and backed off on kills so the ADC got more. They got super fed and steamrolled hard. Then some noob said I suck and had a terrible score. My ADC backed me up. 😎

So, URF, best thing ever? It's frigggen amazing.

Quote from: Wingnut on April 08, 2015, 12:48:38 AM
So, URF, best thing ever? It's frigggen amazing.

I'm not gonna be back in time to play it. D:

Quote from: Wingnut on April 08, 2015, 12:48:38 AM
So, URF, best thing ever? It's frigggen amazing.

No matter what anyone says, I WILL keep building my W (zap) based Jinx build... It's hilarious! I can duel tanks because they can't get to me when I spam my slow... It's damage also scales with AD which is awesome.

Quote from: E.kann1 on April 08, 2015, 07:53:07 AM

Quote from: Wingnut on April 08, 2015, 12:48:38 AM
So, URF, best thing ever? It's frigggen amazing.

No matter what anyone says, I WILL keep building my W (zap) based Jinx build... It's hilarious! I can duel tanks because they can't get to me when I spam my slow... It's damage also scales with AD which is awesome.

I've been wanting to use Riven. 80% CDR? Yes please!

Quote from: LinkCelestrial on April 07, 2015, 10:50:18 PM

Quote from: gtfotis on April 07, 2015, 03:31:26 AM

Quote from: Wingnut on April 06, 2015, 07:46:10 PM

Quote from: gtfotis on April 06, 2015, 07:25:49 PM
0/0/20 is godlike and it's way better than 20/20/0, no questions asked.

See that's completely my point, but most of the "popular" mainstream games 20/20 is going to be mid pack. It's a huge swing of your mental game. The idea that you can help your team win in a big way by simply not dying. It just took me a bit to change my mind set (which I still struggle with), I would assume that others have gone through the same thing. But I could be wrong.

In most games, getting killed doesn't increase your enemy's power, so you really need to keep those deaths low. You'll notice in more pro level matches that there will barely be any kills in the first twenty minutes of a match, you focus on getting as much cs as you can to gain the upper hand. If you think about it, a kill is only worth about 15 cs (without factoring in assists) the goal is 100 cs per 10 minutes for your adc/top/mid lane

100cs per ten minutes is ridiculous. I've heard 75 is benchmark for diamond. If you're getting 100cs per ten minutes you're playing against a really passive opponent, or you need to consider going pro.

There's a YouTuber ned Gbay99 that's helped me a lot. He has a video about how much your deaths matter and another about preventing them.

The problem is everybody is so used to playing aggressively. Especially if they start losing, get mad, then they start feeding cause they're going for revenge. 9/10 times it's better to play passively. Figure out your burst, be opportunistic and capitalize on mistakes. One of my best games I went 3/5/15. I was support and backed off on kills so the ADC got more. They got super fed and steamrolled hard. Then some noob said I suck and had a terrible score. My ADC backed me up. 😎

75/10 is easy mode, 100/10, like I said, is the goal. You don't have to attain it, but it's what you strive for. Atleast during the first 20 minutes.  I've never cared personally for going "pro" or ranking really, the last time I did play ranked was season 4 and I just got to gold for my victorious Elise skin, haha. Then again, I've been playing league for about 5 years and have over 4000 games played (not something I'm proud of, haha)

Ok, i am about to lay a bit of smack down on this 100cs in the first 10minates. It an't happening. Minions don't spawn till a minate 30 and after that ever 30 seconds. In the first ten minates that means a total of about 107 minions spawn per lane. If you can get 100 of them you must not have an opponent. Cause noone is gonna play that passively.
A. He sees your not fighting back and will harass you till you are zoned or have to recall.
B. You fight back but in doing so miss cs during the trade.
C. You don't to either and he kills you
D. You are him and either harrass the guy off or kill him.(best cause the kill gold makes up for missing cs, even if he recalls it means easyfarming for you and he misses cs.

The goal is not 100cs or 75 or whatever. The goal is my cs> then yours. Cause if i have only 60 but you have 30 i am winning and doing my job.

Very well said. +1

Anybody else playing Anivia and wondering why she isn't played more? She has one of the best ults ever, and a really easy to land stun combo as well as an awesome utility spell in making a /wall/. (I'm really bad at using it but hey). I'm going to pick her up eventually.

Quote from: LinkCelestrial on May 14, 2015, 02:13:48 PM
Very well said. +1

Anybody else playing Anivia and wondering why she isn't played more? She has one of the best ults ever, and a really easy to land stun combo as well as an awesome utility spell in making a /wall/. (I'm really bad at using it but hey). I'm going to pick her up eventually.

Anivia is one of those "old" champions that just don't see much play. When someone (more so for new players) is looking for a new champion who are they gonna get? A champion you have almost never seen or one you see commonly and that seems to do well.

Mordikaiser is one of my favorite mids cause he is really stong but is never seen cause he is "old" too.

Plus she is kinda trickly, she takes more practice to learn to play well with compared to other champions. Some people will try a free champion once and if they don't get a feel for them won't pick them up.

Quote from: redwolv on May 14, 2015, 02:05:57 PM
Ok, i am about to lay a bit of smack down on this 100cs in the first 10minates. It an't happening. Minions don't spawn till a minate 30 and after that ever 30 seconds. In the first ten minates that means a total of about 107 minions spawn per lane. If you can get 100 of them you must not have an opponent. Cause noone is gonna play that passively.
A. He sees your not fighting back and will harass you till you are zoned or have to recall.
B. You fight back but in doing so miss cs during the trade.
C. You don't to either and he kills you
D. You are him and either harrass the guy off or kill him.(best cause the kill gold makes up for missing cs, even if he recalls it means easyfarming for you and he misses cs.

The goal is not 100cs or 75 or whatever. The goal is my cs> then yours. Cause if i have only 60 but you have 30 i am winning and doing my job.

Nobody said 100 in the first ten minutes, it's an average of 100 per 10 minutes, usually ending a game around 30 minutes with ~300 cs but 200 in the first twenty is golden. Wolves and raptors are your friends and it's easy to juggle csing while being prevalent in lane, but I agree on the my cs > yours. Maybe you're right though, the thousands of people I've laned against must have just been too passive. :^)

Quote from: gtfotis on May 15, 2015, 09:10:27 PM

Quote from: redwolv on May 14, 2015, 02:05:57 PM
Ok, i am about to lay a bit of smack down on this 100cs in the first 10minates. It an't happening. Minions don't spawn till a minate 30 and after that ever 30 seconds. In the first ten minates that means a total of about 107 minions spawn per lane. If you can get 100 of them you must not have an opponent. Cause noone is gonna play that passively.
A. He sees your not fighting back and will harass you till you are zoned or have to recall.
B. You fight back but in doing so miss cs during the trade.
C. You don't to either and he kills you
D. You are him and either harrass the guy off or kill him.(best cause the kill gold makes up for missing cs, even if he recalls it means easyfarming for you and he misses cs.

The goal is not 100cs or 75 or whatever. The goal is my cs> then yours. Cause if i have only 60 but you have 30 i am winning and doing my job.

Nobody said 100 in the first ten minutes, it's an average of 100 per 10 minutes, usually ending a game around 30 minutes with ~300 cs but 200 in the first twenty is golden. Wolves and raptors are your friends and it's easy to juggle csing while being prevalent in lane, but I agree on the my cs > yours. Maybe you're right though, the thousands of people I've laned against must have just been too passive. :^)

My jungler flips when I touch camps.

Quote from: gtfotis on May 15, 2015, 09:10:27 PM

Nobody said 100 in the first ten minutes, it's an average of 100 per 10 minutes, usually ending a game around 30 minutes with ~300 cs but 200 in the first twenty is golden. Wolves and raptors are your friends and it's easy to juggle csing while being prevalent in lane, but I agree on the my cs > yours. Maybe you're right though, the thousands of people I've laned against must have just been too passive. :^)

Even the idea of 100 per 10 is still not happening. At the heaviest (a seige each wave) you get 140 minoins per 10 minutes. even then a good player won't get 100, why?
Cause if your doing cs still at this point, your team is facing 4v5 team fights.
I am not saying 100 is inpossible, it can be done. But to do so requires you to not be present in places it is needed. At minimum you need to get 16 waves, or 8 minates worth of spawns. That means you only have 2 minates of time to do other things. 

The goal of this game is not cs, it is not kills, the goal is destory the nexus. The cs and kills just help you. Even if each person on the team gets 100p10 they will still lose, cause the other team grouped up, played together, and pushed thr lanes to the nexus.

Quote from: redwolv on May 15, 2015, 11:21:52 PM

Quote from: gtfotis on May 15, 2015, 09:10:27 PM

Nobody said 100 in the first ten minutes, it's an average of 100 per 10 minutes, usually ending a game around 30 minutes with ~300 cs but 200 in the first twenty is golden. Wolves and raptors are your friends and it's easy to juggle csing while being prevalent in lane, but I agree on the my cs > yours. Maybe you're right though, the thousands of people I've laned against must have just been too passive. :^)

Even the idea of 100 per 10 is still not happening. At the heaviest (a seige each wave) you get 140 minoins per 10 minutes. even then a good player won't get 100, why?
Cause if your doing cs still at this point, your team is facing 4v5 team fights.
I am not saying 100 is inpossible, it can be done. But to do so requires you to not be present in places it is needed. At minimum you need to get 16 waves, or 8 minates worth of spawns. That means you only have 2 minates of time to do other things. 

The goal of this game is not cs, it is not kills, the goal is destory the nexus. The cs and kills just help you. Even if each person on the team gets 100p10 they will still lose, cause the other team grouped up, played together, and pushed thr lanes to the nexus.

Just going to point out that that's not possible as how could you farm with them pushing lanes? + is there even enough cs for 5 people to hit 100?

75cs/100mins seems reasonable. Depending on lane aggression. I've been paying more attention and I've been pretty consistently in the top three for the room.

Quote from: redwolv on May 15, 2015, 11:21:52 PM

Quote from: gtfotis on May 15, 2015, 09:10:27 PM

Nobody said 100 in the first ten minutes, it's an average of 100 per 10 minutes, usually ending a game around 30 minutes with ~300 cs but 200 in the first twenty is golden. Wolves and raptors are your friends and it's easy to juggle csing while being prevalent in lane, but I agree on the my cs > yours. Maybe you're right though, the thousands of people I've laned against must have just been too passive. :^)

Even the idea of 100 per 10 is still not happening. At the heaviest (a seige each wave) you get 140 minoins per 10 minutes. even then a good player won't get 100, why?
Cause if your doing cs still at this point, your team is facing 4v5 team fights.
I am not saying 100 is inpossible, it can be done. But to do so requires you to not be present in places it is needed. At minimum you need to get 16 waves, or 8 minates worth of spawns. That means you only have 2 minates of time to do other things. 

The goal of this game is not cs, it is not kills, the goal is destory the nexus. The cs and kills just help you. Even if each person on the team gets 100p10 they will still lose, cause the other team grouped up, played together, and pushed thr lanes to the nexus.

To each their own, I'm happy with a 54% win rate. It's hard to change your ways after playing for 4 or 5 years 😅

Quote from: LinkCelestrial on May 15, 2015, 09:47:50 PM

Quote from: gtfotis on May 15, 2015, 09:10:27 PM

Quote from: redwolv on May 14, 2015, 02:05:57 PM
Ok, i am about to lay a bit of smack down on this 100cs in the first 10minates. It an't happening. Minions don't spawn till a minate 30 and after that ever 30 seconds. In the first ten minates that means a total of about 107 minions spawn per lane. If you can get 100 of them you must not have an opponent. Cause noone is gonna play that passively.
A. He sees your not fighting back and will harass you till you are zoned or have to recall.
B. You fight back but in doing so miss cs during the trade.
C. You don't to either and he kills you
D. You are him and either harrass the guy off or kill him.(best cause the kill gold makes up for missing cs, even if he recalls it means easyfarming for you and he misses cs.

The goal is not 100cs or 75 or whatever. The goal is my cs> then yours. Cause if i have only 60 but you have 30 i am winning and doing my job.

Nobody said 100 in the first ten minutes, it's an average of 100 per 10 minutes, usually ending a game around 30 minutes with ~300 cs but 200 in the first twenty is golden. Wolves and raptors are your friends and it's easy to juggle csing while being prevalent in lane, but I agree on the my cs > yours. Maybe you're right though, the thousands of people I've laned against must have just been too passive. :^)

My jungler flips when I touch camps.

I main jungle and mid, it's normal for mid to grab raptors when they're up to gain an exp/gold advantage while their lane is empty. Also, I start Gromp so it's also okay to let bit have golems for the early level 2

Quote from: gtfotis on May 16, 2015, 05:45:09 AM

Quote from: LinkCelestrial on May 15, 2015, 09:47:50 PM

Quote from: gtfotis on May 15, 2015, 09:10:27 PM

Quote from: redwolv on May 14, 2015, 02:05:57 PM
Ok, i am about to lay a bit of smack down on this 100cs in the first 10minates. It an't happening. Minions don't spawn till a minate 30 and after that ever 30 seconds. In the first ten minates that means a total of about 107 minions spawn per lane. If you can get 100 of them you must not have an opponent. Cause noone is gonna play that passively.
A. He sees your not fighting back and will harass you till you are zoned or have to recall.
B. You fight back but in doing so miss cs during the trade.
C. You don't to either and he kills you
D. You are him and either harrass the guy off or kill him.(best cause the kill gold makes up for missing cs, even if he recalls it means easyfarming for you and he misses cs.

The goal is not 100cs or 75 or whatever. The goal is my cs> then yours. Cause if i have only 60 but you have 30 i am winning and doing my job.

Nobody said 100 in the first ten minutes, it's an average of 100 per 10 minutes, usually ending a game around 30 minutes with ~300 cs but 200 in the first twenty is golden. Wolves and raptors are your friends and it's easy to juggle csing while being prevalent in lane, but I agree on the my cs > yours. Maybe you're right though, the thousands of people I've laned against must have just been too passive. :^)

My jungler flips when I touch camps.

I main jungle and mid, it's normal for mid to grab raptors when they're up to gain an exp/gold advantage while their lane is empty. Also, I start Gromp so it's also okay to let bit have golems for the early level 2

I always ask and they're like "F NO GO AWAY!" or they don't respond so I just go for it then they're like "now I'm losing cause you took wolves you rotten cranberry!" It's not worth the flame from my team IMO.

Quote from: LinkCelestrial on May 16, 2015, 04:15:38 PM

Quote from: gtfotis on May 16, 2015, 05:45:09 AM

Quote from: LinkCelestrial on May 15, 2015, 09:47:50 PM

Quote from: gtfotis on May 15, 2015, 09:10:27 PM

Quote from: redwolv on May 14, 2015, 02:05:57 PM
Ok, i am about to lay a bit of smack down on this 100cs in the first 10minates. It an't happening. Minions don't spawn till a minate 30 and after that ever 30 seconds. In the first ten minates that means a total of about 107 minions spawn per lane. If you can get 100 of them you must not have an opponent. Cause noone is gonna play that passively.
A. He sees your not fighting back and will harass you till you are zoned or have to recall.
B. You fight back but in doing so miss cs during the trade.
C. You don't to either and he kills you
D. You are him and either harrass the guy off or kill him.(best cause the kill gold makes up for missing cs, even if he recalls it means easyfarming for you and he misses cs.

The goal is not 100cs or 75 or whatever. The goal is my cs> then yours. Cause if i have only 60 but you have 30 i am winning and doing my job.

Nobody said 100 in the first ten minutes, it's an average of 100 per 10 minutes, usually ending a game around 30 minutes with ~300 cs but 200 in the first twenty is golden. Wolves and raptors are your friends and it's easy to juggle csing while being prevalent in lane, but I agree on the my cs > yours. Maybe you're right though, the thousands of people I've laned against must have just been too passive. :^)

My jungler flips when I touch camps.

I main jungle and mid, it's normal for mid to grab raptors when they're up to gain an exp/gold advantage while their lane is empty. Also, I start Gromp so it's also okay to let bit have golems for the early level 2

I always ask and they're like "F NO GO AWAY!" or they don't respond so I just go for it then they're like "now I'm losing cause you took wolves you rotten cranberry!" It's not worth the flame from my team IMO.

Are you pre lvl 30 or bronze? There's just some concepts people don't understand or think they know because they saw a YouTube video or their friend is diamond, haha. But that's another thing, if you're having to deal with people like that, you're definitely doing the right thing! It's better to keep everybody in a good mood as opposed to having everybody down eachother's throats and then pointing fingers

I have the same problem, I'm pre 30 but play with a LOT of silver or higher 30s so I pick up things pretty quickly. Then when I solo and am back with the mid 20s things are frustrating :P

Especially that everyone bans teemo and no one knows how to deal with katarina.

Quote from: gtfotis on May 16, 2015, 05:45:09 AM

Quote from: LinkCelestrial on May 15, 2015, 09:47:50 PM

Quote from: gtfotis on May 15, 2015, 09:10:27 PM

Quote from: redwolv on May 14, 2015, 02:05:57 PM
Ok, i am about to lay a bit of smack down on this 100cs in the first 10minates. It an't happening. Minions don't spawn till a minate 30 and after that ever 30 seconds. In the first ten minates that means a total of about 107 minions spawn per lane. If you can get 100 of them you must not have an opponent. Cause noone is gonna play that passively.
A. He sees your not fighting back and will harass you till you are zoned or have to recall.
B. You fight back but in doing so miss cs during the trade.
C. You don't to either and he kills you
D. You are him and either harrass the guy off or kill him.(best cause the kill gold makes up for missing cs, even if he recalls it means easyfarming for you and he misses cs.

The goal is not 100cs or 75 or whatever. The goal is my cs> then yours. Cause if i have only 60 but you have 30 i am winning and doing my job.

Nobody said 100 in the first ten minutes, it's an average of 100 per 10 minutes, usually ending a game around 30 minutes with ~300 cs but 200 in the first twenty is golden. Wolves and raptors are your friends and it's easy to juggle csing while being prevalent in lane, but I agree on the my cs > yours. Maybe you're right though, the thousands of people I've laned against must have just been too passive. :^)

My jungler flips when I touch camps.

I main jungle and mid, it's normal for mid to grab raptors when they're up to gain an exp/gold advantage while their lane is empty. Also, I start Gromp so it's also okay to let bit have golems for the early level 2

I like Rammus or Amumu in jungle. I go for gromp with a leash then hit blue, back, upgrade machete and then hit red. I also love counter jungling.  Amumu is a beast counter jungling. <3

Quote from: gtfotis on May 17, 2015, 01:48:24 AM

Quote from: LinkCelestrial on May 16, 2015, 04:15:38 PM

Quote from: gtfotis on May 16, 2015, 05:45:09 AM

Quote from: LinkCelestrial on May 15, 2015, 09:47:50 PM

Quote from: gtfotis on May 15, 2015, 09:10:27 PM

Quote from: redwolv on May 14, 2015, 02:05:57 PM
Ok, i am about to lay a bit of smack down on this 100cs in the first 10minates. It an't happening. Minions don't spawn till a minate 30 and after that ever 30 seconds. In the first ten minates that means a total of about 107 minions spawn per lane. If you can get 100 of them you must not have an opponent. Cause noone is gonna play that passively.
A. He sees your not fighting back and will harass you till you are zoned or have to recall.
B. You fight back but in doing so miss cs during the trade.
C. You don't to either and he kills you
D. You are him and either harrass the guy off or kill him.(best cause the kill gold makes up for missing cs, even if he recalls it means easyfarming for you and he misses cs.

The goal is not 100cs or 75 or whatever. The goal is my cs> then yours. Cause if i have only 60 but you have 30 i am winning and doing my job.

Nobody said 100 in the first ten minutes, it's an average of 100 per 10 minutes, usually ending a game around 30 minutes with ~300 cs but 200 in the first twenty is golden. Wolves and raptors are your friends and it's easy to juggle csing while being prevalent in lane, but I agree on the my cs > yours. Maybe you're right though, the thousands of people I've laned against must have just been too passive. :^)

My jungler flips when I touch camps.

I main jungle and mid, it's normal for mid to grab raptors when they're up to gain an exp/gold advantage while their lane is empty. Also, I start Gromp so it's also okay to let bit have golems for the early level 2

I always ask and they're like "F NO GO AWAY!" or they don't respond so I just go for it then they're like "now I'm losing cause you took wolves you rotten cranberry!" It's not worth the flame from my team IMO.

Are you pre lvl 30 or bronze? There's just some concepts people don't understand or think they know because they saw a YouTube video or their friend is diamond, haha. But that's another thing, if you're having to deal with people like that, you're definitely doing the right thing! It's better to keep everybody in a good mood as opposed to having everybody down eachother's throats and then pointing fingers

I'm level 20, working on AD and AP rune pages. I try to keep the peace but I engage when people flame me. And I try to be helpful but some people take it the wrong way.

What does everyone think of ekko? I find him frustratingly fun.

Quote from: redwolv on June 06, 2015, 09:35:04 PM
What does everyone think of ekko? I find him frustratingly fun.

I haven't really seen a good Ekko yet. I've played with/against him. Not amazing not underwhelming.

I'm miles away from buying him but I think I might eventually.

Quote from: LinkCelestrial on June 06, 2015, 10:06:38 PM

Quote from: redwolv on June 06, 2015, 09:35:04 PM
What does everyone think of ekko? I find him frustratingly fun.

I haven't really seen a good Ekko yet. I've played with/against him. Not amazing not underwhelming.

I'm miles away from buying him but I think I might eventually.

He's a valid nuker, and can set other heros up well to seriously screw the enemy.  He seems underwhelming, but he's quite great, he's just more focused on setting up others.  So positioning is key, along with some other jazz.  I don't see a lot of people procing his passive before they hit enemy heros, which is odd.  Not many people have been able to use chrono break offensively, it's a nice chunk of aoe that helps a teamfight.  He does what he should, and alone he isn't amazing, it's just a slightly different playstyle I guess

Quote from: LinkCelestrial on June 06, 2015, 10:06:38 PM

Quote from: redwolv on June 06, 2015, 09:35:04 PM
What does everyone think of ekko? I find him frustratingly fun.

I haven't really seen a good Ekko yet. I've played with/against him. Not amazing not underwhelming.

I'm miles away from buying him but I think I might eventually.

No offense meant, but you probably won't see a good ekko until you play with 30s, or at least that's what everyone tells me. ;) when I do play with 30s and there's an ekko, it's super scary... A well played ekko can be everywhere all the time doing everything. Or at least it seems like that... He seems really fun though you need lots of map awareness and mechanical skill to play him.

I've found his W to be the trickest part of his kit, it can be used in alot of ways but that delay before it does anything keeps messing me up.

Yeah, exactly. He's difficult to play, but when you do it right he does ALL THE THINGS.

No, seriously he has a stun, a slow, damage, an escape, zoning potential, everything.

Quote from: Ekann1 on June 07, 2015, 07:45:21 PM
Yeah, exactly. He's difficult to play, but when you do it right he does ALL THE THINGS.

No, seriously he has a stun, a slow, damage, an escape, zoning potential, everything.

Don't forget a dash, a closer, shield, heal, bonus damage, poke, etc. he really has a wide range of effects

Quote from: redwolv on June 07, 2015, 08:16:00 PM

Quote from: Ekann1 on June 07, 2015, 07:45:21 PM
Yeah, exactly. He's difficult to play, but when you do it right he does ALL THE THINGS.

No, seriously he has a stun, a slow, damage, an escape, zoning potential, everything.

Don't forget a dash, a closer, shield, heal, bonus damage, poke, etc. he really has a wide range of effects

Yeah, can't forget all that good stuff xD

Quote from: redwolv on June 06, 2015, 09:35:04 PM
What does everyone think of ekko? I find him frustratingly fun.

Nerf inc

Quote from: Ekann1 on June 07, 2015, 10:21:06 PM

Quote from: redwolv on June 07, 2015, 08:16:00 PM

Quote from: Ekann1 on June 07, 2015, 07:45:21 PM
Yeah, exactly. He's difficult to play, but when you do it right he does ALL THE THINGS.

No, seriously he has a stun, a slow, damage, an escape, zoning potential, everything.

Don't forget a dash, a closer, shield, heal, bonus damage, poke, etc. he really has a wide range of effects

Yeah, can't forget all that good stuff xD

He has an ultra badass kit, but with all that he feels more support less assassin.

Quote from: LinkCelestrial on June 08, 2015, 01:08:05 AM

Quote from: Ekann1 on June 07, 2015, 10:21:06 PM

Quote from: redwolv on June 07, 2015, 08:16:00 PM

Quote from: Ekann1 on June 07, 2015, 07:45:21 PM
Yeah, exactly. He's difficult to play, but when you do it right he does ALL THE THINGS.

No, seriously he has a stun, a slow, damage, an escape, zoning potential, everything.

Don't forget a dash, a closer, shield, heal, bonus damage, poke, etc. he really has a wide range of effects

Yeah, can't forget all that good stuff xD

He has an ultra badass kit, but with all that he feels more support less assassin.

I kinda like that though, he might not be as assasiny as say fizz but i feel like in team fights his wide range of effects are more useful.

Quote from: redwolv on June 09, 2015, 01:17:13 PM

Quote from: LinkCelestrial on June 08, 2015, 01:08:05 AM

Quote from: Ekann1 on June 07, 2015, 10:21:06 PM

Quote from: redwolv on June 07, 2015, 08:16:00 PM

Quote from: Ekann1 on June 07, 2015, 07:45:21 PM
Yeah, exactly. He's difficult to play, but when you do it right he does ALL THE THINGS.

No, seriously he has a stun, a slow, damage, an escape, zoning potential, everything.

Don't forget a dash, a closer, shield, heal, bonus damage, poke, etc. he really has a wide range of effects

Yeah, can't forget all that good stuff xD

He has an ultra badass kit, but with all that he feels more support less assassin.

I kinda like that though, he might not be as assasiny as say fizz but i feel like in team fights his wide range of effects are more useful.

I agree. My favourite characters are ones that can delete people (Riven, Irelia, Nidalee, Katarina) and ones that make huge plays (Anivia, Bard (I'm actually a badass with bard. Sometimes)). Ekko seems like he might be the balance between the two. I'm totally going to try him as he's on free rotation.

Thought you guys might like this, a friend showed it to me.

https://m.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/2vn5gb/why_dont_people_understand_that_i_the_support_am/

Quote from: Ekann1 on June 16, 2015, 10:13:23 PM
Thought you guys might like this, a friend showed it to me.

https://m.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/2vn5gb/why_dont_people_understand_that_i_the_support_am/

That's awesome, there is actually some truth to this imo. I feel like support is an under appreciated role. A good support can win games, but I'm slightly partial.

Quote from: Wingnut on June 20, 2015, 06:39:44 PM

Quote from: Ekann1 on June 16, 2015, 10:13:23 PM
Thought you guys might like this, a friend showed it to me.

https://m.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/2vn5gb/why_dont_people_understand_that_i_the_support_am/

That's awesome, there is actually some truth to this imo. I feel like support is an under appreciated role. A good support can win games, but I'm slightly partial.

There's some amount of truth, but only to a point. Even an amazing support can't turn a game around with an awful adc; supports can't really hypercarry a game. But with a mediocre-good adc, a really good support will eventually let bot lane snowball and make teamfights that much better, letting you win.

Eh. Solo mid casually is where it's at imo. Not as carrying but way more fun with the match ups I get.

I just bought Katarina. If it wasn't so hard to cs I'd be in love.

Quote from: LinkCelestrial on June 20, 2015, 10:13:08 PM
I just bought Katarina. If it wasn't so hard to cs I'd be in love.

One of THOSE people. I gotta n friend you on lol when I get home.

Jk, just as a Caitlyn main (so, none of my own cc) I like to be able to walk around the map without exploding... Kat usually isn't in the mood for that though

Quote from: Ekann1 on June 20, 2015, 11:27:39 PM

Quote from: LinkCelestrial on June 20, 2015, 10:13:08 PM
I just bought Katarina. If it wasn't so hard to cs I'd be in love.

One of THOSE people. I gotta n friend you on lol when I get home.

Jk, just as a Caitlyn main (so, none of my own cc) I like to be able to walk around the map without exploding... Kat usually isn't in the mood for that though

I love burst DPS. That's why I mained Riven for so long. Then Irelia because she's better when she's behind. Now Katarina because I jump on people and they go boom. Then I jump on someone else. The only problem is you get cc'd you die. I've been building tankish and it's working really well.

I feel like tank is a waste of gold, you just have to outplay and not get CCed... Idk I can play pretty much everywhere but mid so I'm not the best one to listen to, but mids are meant to be squishy and it seems like you're better off just going with it and building full damage. Quick google found this, maybe looks at it?

http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/in-depth-the-dagger-goddess-361263

(Let me know if I'm overthinking this :P )

Quote from: Ekann1 on June 21, 2015, 04:22:41 PM
I feel like tank is a waste of gold

I cry everytime

Quote from: Ekann1 on June 21, 2015, 04:22:41 PM
I feel like tank is a waste of gold, you just have to outplay and not get CCed... Idk I can play pretty much everywhere but mid so I'm not the best one to listen to, but mids are meant to be squishy and it seems like you're better off just going with it and building full damage. Quick google found this, maybe looks at it?

http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/in-depth-the-dagger-goddess-361263

(Let me know if I'm overthinking this :P )

Outplaying and not getting CC'd sounds easy. SO EASY. it's not like non-skillshot CC is a thing. It's not like stun stacking is a thing. Nope. Not things.

(Please catch my air of joking)

The thing is with Katarina I can build an abyssal Scepter, Zyhonia's and still have damage. Then my last item can be whatever. My build ATM is

Boots pots 4

Luden's

Abyssal/Zyhonia's order depending on how much gold I've got and what I'm up against.

Finish sorcerer's shoes or merc treads by now.

Rabbadon's or void staff (I think it's called void staff) depending on if they're stacking magic resist

Banshee's vs fed ap/heavy CC. Guardian angel vs balanced. Trying to find a decent armour/ap combo item. Or more damage if I'm super fed or I feel like I need it.

Sometimes I get a void staff and skip the abyssal.

So with this build I'll have about 100+ armour, 100+ magic resist, 35 magic pen (20 anthem) and 360+ ap.

What this means is when I do my job of cleanup crew on team fights, it's easy. When I jump into a team fight to finish people off, I'm pretty safe. When I engage I can usually get out. It's the optimal balance of being able to kill somebody without just plain dying. I can't 1v1 a Riven or one combo anybody that isn't squishy but that's not what Katarina does. She roams and gets the other lanes fed then cleans up after team fights or ends them really quickly.

Sometimes full ap is the way to go. But that's rare. The generic build of,

Sorcerer's shoes, Luden's Echo, Rabbadon's Deathcap, Abyssal Scepter, Zyhonia's Hourglass and Guardian Angel

Is very solid base that can get me by in games when there's not really anything specific to build. It's been working quite well for me.

Haha, that's actually exactly what's in the guide I posted... I'll just leave now ;) I didn't realize those items gave enough tank stats to be called building tanky

Quote from: Ekann1 on June 24, 2015, 10:56:34 AM
Haha, that's actually exactly what's in the guide I posted... I'll just leave now ;) I didn't realize those items gave enough tank stats to be called building tanky

I couldn't read the guide because the in app browser hates me. :c

It's not really tanky as much as it's anti-squishy.

Fair enough, I thought by tank you meant like armor/health items or something like that. Those wouldn't be smart.

I couldn't imagine myself grabbing a Warmogs or something but full damage is really over rated IMO. 9/10 games I'm more than happy with using a slot for a defensive item and straying a bit from damage in pursuit if defence.

Of course, even when I play a full damage based champ I still usually grab a defense item last.

AP item reworks and slow mechanic changes. Thoughts?

I liked the concept but thought ap champions would be weaker. Played Katarina last night and went 18/2/6. Needless may be weaker but it's cheaper and that, my dear friends, is great. Rabbadon's costs more but it's insane, and the new Luden's and Zhonya's are great.

All in all I like it. It lets you grab pieces more often which is very nice.

I wouldn't know, I don't play AP champions :P I'm going to try to learn Fizz though.

One of my friends confessed that he's never, literally never, played AP.

I have not been able to play for awhile, is that river king guy any good?

I dunno, I haven't seen him played yet, however, I think he synergies with Hecarim amazingly

Quote from: redwolv on July 11, 2015, 12:57:39 PM
I have not been able to play for awhile, is that river king guy any good?

He doesn't seem great, although to be fair I haven't seen anyone good play him. I played top against him with Jax and I just dodged his tongue whip thing, farmed up, and then just melted him once I had a finished Bork and a few more offensive items.
I saw him as a support while spectating a ranked game and he seemed a little better but still not great. The guy playing him kept jumping into 1v3s and dying though, so I guess that's not the best example,

Unimpressed. He's a support and his W is his only really good ability. He's just meh. I'll keep playing Bard...

I just played with one tonight again. Seemed rather mediocre.

As did I, then again the player was rather mediocre.  (I was laning with him and it seemed as though he didn't know what he was doing).  I stand by my earlier statement that he seems pretty good in thoery, but it will be interesting to see how he pans out.

I hate malzahar. So much damage.

It's the suppression that gets me. If they can't land skill shots they're useless though.

I have discovered the greatest thing.

I started saving up IP for Vayne cause I got really hyped off some montages and really enjoyed her when she was on rotation. Well she's on rotation again. My friend, AceTrainerCinder, decided to support me. With BlitzCrank. I said that was a bad idea cause Vayne is pretty passive and insanely squishy. He said it'll be fine. So off we went.

And we dominated. It was disgusting. I realized that BlitzCrank could rocket grab, then that knock up thing, right next to a wall. Then Vayne uses Condemn and gg ez. Your opponent can't respond before they're dead 9/10 times, and a BlitzCrank ult can seal the deal. Our first game was a walkover. Our second we wrecked lane then lost late game to a fed Annie and Aatrox. I didn't carry as hard as I could have (I'm pretty new to Vayne) but I had boatloads of fun.

Vayne Crank. Try it.

I've been getting more into the league scene lately for some reasons and easing out of Dota, and today I was bored and thought, " I thought I would never spend money on an online game," and then proceeded to buy $20 worth of Riot points.  So I got today...

Draven, Lulu, and Yorick.

Draven because people have been saying he's pretty hard, and I like a good challenge.
Lulu because I've played against her several times in game and I found her kit kinda disgusting.
And Yorick because I've never played against him, but he seems fun.

And I just finished playing a Draven game, and it was a mix of "holy .poo. where are these blades going during team fights," and "wow I just killed their whole team who clearly knows what their doing (with the exception of Donger over there)."

We had three points in the game where they almost destroyed our nexus, and we still won somehow.  It was a lot of fun and I genuinely love playing Draven now.  Right now I can only keep track of his Q while in lane, and somewhat well during team fights.  With two, if I'm free farming I can keep track of them, in a teamfight...  I kept both of them going in a teamfight for 7 seconds so, I'm setting that as a record for now.  Lot of work, but he's pretty fun.

Haven't played Lulu yet, and the game I played with Yorick was rampant with lag spikes, so I didn't really get to play with Yorick.  But oh well there's tomorrow for that. :P

Draven is one of the most entertaining and fun champions IMO. He was going to be my main man adc before I discovered my love for Vayne Crank.

I can consistently keep axes going in lane and got pretty good at it in team fights. An 800+ damage crit +shiv is just amazing. He's nuts. Also Stand Aside is one of my favourite cc abilities.

His passive is so great, and gives you a /real/ reason to flame about ks.

I'm just exceptionally bad at utilizing blood rush.

Quote from: LinkCelestrial on July 22, 2015, 11:05:59 PM
Draven is one of the most entertaining and fun champions IMO. He was going to be my main man adc before I discovered my love for Vayne Crank.

I can consistently keep axes going in lane and got pretty good at it in team fights. An 800+ damage crit +shiv is just amazing. He's nuts. Also Stand Aside is one of my favourite cc abilities.

His passive is so great, and gives you a /real/ reason to flame about ks.

I'm just exceptionally bad at utilizing blood rush.

I love stand aside, and blood rush is something I got used to using more and more in fights and escaping.  Now I just need to use it when getting places.  It was funny, there was a really good vayne that game against us, and that player was the best out of that whole team (next would be their Swain 😤) and eventually I just targeted her in teamfights, because she is pretty squishy.  There was also a fizz that would not. Stop. KS-ing early game.  Afterwards I dealt enough damage and knew when to back up and stay in fights so I would either burst enemies before he could land his Q and such, or survive longer than him.  Also, my hatred for Swain has intensified today.

Vayne is a wet paper bag. That can kill you in seconds. She's so squishy but she can kite for days. I kited a Master Yi all the way down the new howling abyss, he tower dived and died promptly after. The change to tumble might make CDR + trinity force a thing. Imma try it.

Swain is annoying but he's squishy and needs to land skill shots to do anything. He's bearable compared to some other mid lanes. I'll talk about that later.

KSing is a disaster when you're playing Draven. I've chewed out a lot of team mates so they understand. Fizz is almost as bad as Katarina, but she at least has an excuse (resets). (I played her in ARAM today. So fun.)

Knowing the ins and outs of a champion is so important. Your burst is the key. Draven's burst is insane, but his damage is all axes. I'm glad to hear you've started to master him.

IMO the two most detrimental champions are LeBlanc and Cho'Gath.

LeBlanc can 100-0 you with boots, 0 counter play and stupid escapes. They recently nerfed her and she's still nearly impossible to deal with. She's not a no skill champ, but she is just stupid.

Cho'Gath. Cc, wave clear, insane sustain, stupidly tanky. The problem with Cho'Gath is you can do nothing, play really badly, and still be have a huge impact on the game and be virtually unkillable. AND HE DOES DAMAGE WITH CC! He is a no skill champion with low risk and high reward. He's a disaster to lane against as he does nothing and wins lane.

Yeah cho gath is not only my least favorite champ to lane against, but one of my least favorite champs in general.
I'm far from mastering Draven, working on him, but I got awhile before I can become efficient with him.  He just seems so slow when you have two axes out, so the distance always seems so far away when two are out.  Do you space your attacks out in order to catch both, or am I gonna need to grab those movement speed masteries

Swains just annoying because while his ult is up, he tends to not be as squishy, because of that AOE hp drain.  Especially in teamfights. 

So what do we all think of the new HUD? Personally I kinda hate it. I understand it takes time to get used to new things, but everything is so cramped and hard to read. It also feels like Riot is just screwing over longtime players who've mastered the skill of picking up information quickly an easily from the old HUD. If they only changed the visuals and not the positioning, that would be one thing, but this is crazy.

While the new hud is visually appealing and it makes good changes, such as the positioning of your teams champions above the minimap, and dead enemy champs above those champions.  But it does seem all around more cramped and crowded in certain places.  Maybe people will get used to it in time, but it is a little odd as of now

I feel like it's better. It does contain more information (teammate ult and summoner cool downs) and has more important information easily visible. My complaint is the score is tucked in the minimap. Kinda hard to see.

So, Gangplank is dead.

Yeah i saw that. Kinda fuuny.

As I missed the draven discussion i want to add my two cents. Or in my opinion three cents.

Try trinity force on Draven. Cause catching an Ax refreshs his W as long as you have mana you can trigger the spellblade effect. And nearly none(just the ap) of the stats are wasted on on him. the spellblade effect doubles his already powerful attacks. I have one shot some squishy charcters. Plus the phage effect helps in aiding in catching axes and chasing foes.

My normal build is

B greaves - bloodthirster- trinity- infinity edge- phantom/shiv-

Depending on situation
penetration bow(tanks building armor)
black cleaver (no true tank but armor being build(curse you thorn mail)
G angel (good assassins)

If i finish six items i sell my boots for a zepher for the damage boost/tenacity. Without lossing much movement speed.

I've gotta try that. Sounds amazing.

Quote from: LinkCelestrial on August 01, 2015, 09:40:59 PM
I've gotta try that. Sounds amazing.

1000+ damage crits are dam amazing.

I've been broadening my horizons on champions, trying to play a lot, while going back to certain ones to practice them more.  (Currently the ones going back to are Lulu Support, and Draven ADC)

So I picked up LeBlanc, Nocturne, and Jayce because they were on sale, and I think I found my new favorite jungler until I get more mastery points and rune pages for others.  And that's nocturne.  He has fast clear, relatively good sustain (not enough masteries and runes to properly capitalize on it yet) and he's a great ganker.  I've just been having trouble determining my jungle route.  I usually start Krugs, then Red buff, and after that, I'm not sure if I should go to wolves or raptors.  I always thought raptors, but as I'm seeing more and more playthroughs, more people are going to wolves.  Then after that, I usually grab gromp and blue buff.  And repeat.  The problem is I haven't been able to properly sustain like, I'd want to.  It seems that I can survive after I clear Raptors, and then I have to go back.  And not only that, I've seen people get hard leashes for Red buff, which also seemed smart.  But I wasn't sure.

I also played a couple LeBlanc games, and the first one went horribly.  I went up against Victor in both games.  So, I was more of a matter of, can I avoid his laser and stun, and can he avoid my chain leash, and put up shield properly.  First game, our team lost miserably, but the second game went wonderfully.  Probably because I got more used to the W, and his laser.  But the team performed better overall which was nice.

I'm not playing Jayce yet.  Although he seems good, I'm gonna hold off on him for now.

Overall the day went well, and I'm thinking about adding nocturne into one of the champions, I'll return to every now and then.

Now what do you all think of Syndra?  She was always someone, I wanted to learn how to play, but I also am a little hesitant because of the positioning issue of her dark spheres.  Do you think I should get her, or is it not worth it?

She's a really fun champion. There's all sorts of janky things you can do with her throw.

I played her when she was on rotation, really fun. Rewarding to play well.

Finally hit lvl 30 :D

I did a while ago. Only have 11 champs. Don't tell me to buy 450s.

I have like 15 ish, including the 450s :P

Okay guys, I need to decide who to buy. I'm thinking,

Yasuo. Because he doesn't use mana, has low cooldowns so I get to use lots of abilities, and has a high skull cap.

Varus. Mainly for the AD poke mid build. Like seriously check it out it's nuts. Also a backup ADC.

Yasuo is one i highly sugest you wait and try him while free. He is expensive at 6300 and has a play style that is very unique. I myself own him but don't enjoy playing him and wish i had the ip to buy someone like vel'koz. Cause i bought yasuo without having played him before.

You might want to also look at the 3150 cost guys. There are alot of solId champions at that price and you could get two for the same price. Remember the ip cost of a champion doesn't determine there cost, it's how old they are. Annie for example is a 450 cost champion and she still wrecks hard.

Quote from: LinkCelestrial on August 10, 2015, 02:35:12 PM
Okay guys, I need to decide who to buy. I'm thinking,

Yasuo. Because he doesn't use mana, has low cooldowns so I get to use lots of abilities, and has a high skull cap.

Varus. Mainly for the AD poke mid build. Like seriously check it out it's nuts. Also a backup ADC.

Varus is super fun, I play him as an adc a lot. I thought the mid build was ap?

Those with a price of 6300 are usually best tested during the free week, or waiting for it to go on sale.

Some suggested champs are Blitzcrank, Nautilis, Kassadin, Lulu, Anivia, and Nocturne.  All of whom are fun to play, especially Kassadin

I play a bit of Nautilus, yeah he's fun.

I have played Yasuo, when he was on rotation. He was fun even if I wasn't very good.

The AD poke mid Varus is just so beautiful. It focuses on his Q while building CDR and AD. It's like playing Nidalee with piercing spears.

I've decided on Varus, then I'll buy the 450s I want so I can play ranked.

I finally got a perfect game.

6/0/22

Draven.

ARAM.

That's right ladies and gentleman. Nothing but starting items. Very proud of this.

Quote from: LinkCelestrial on August 12, 2015, 03:45:56 PM
I finally got a perfect game.

6/0/22

Draven.

ARAM.

That's right ladies and gentleman. Nothing but starting items. Very proud of this.

Grats! Same champion as my first perfect game!

Hey guys if you wanna like totally go here and help a guy out, that'd be awesome.

http://riotpoints.give-aways.net/?id=bSfTLkQL

It's a scam but hey.

http://riotpoints.give-aways.net/?id=KDUFP84J

I like seeing how long it takes to ask for my credit card info.

Yeah this stuff is pure scams

Why is it on the lol website though

Its not. Look at the web address. Is not their site. Plus riot would post something on their website or in the game launcher if they where doing a giveaway.

As for why the site might look the same, it would not be to hard to copy their theme.

Plus Riot already does have a referral/invite deal that you can get riot points and skins from. Why would they run a special thing when they already do a inviting deal already?

Let me go smack my impressionable head against the wall.  Stupid scams, popping up, making me hopeful.

It's understandable. Riotpoint scams are some of the most convincing cause they are very "offical" a full on website just about lol. Not some guy in game spaming "selling gold 15mill for ~$4.63"

If you really are looking for free rp go to twitch. Some streamers do rp card giveaways. I found a guy one time when he was doing an unschduled one and giving away two $10 cards. I won one of them; he sent me a message with the cards code, pluged it in on the game and got my points. :)

Magikarp used fly also has giveaways with his fantasy lcs.

Yeah I sign up for that whenever I remember to

New champion has been spoiled for the most part.  Damage for abilities has not been really shown, but we know what it's abilities do.  Seems like a cool jungler, and the passive can bring about some cool mindgames.  Overall Kindred looks pretty cool

I will be picking them up. I love adc junglers, i have a vayne build that is just scary while jungling with devoure. Their kit is suprisingly well rounded.

That ult though. Add a Zilian, Bard, Zyhonia's and GA and you've got yourself somebody that can't die.

Alright, so the more I have been playing bard, the more I've been wondering he would be better as a roaming support, (ganking and helping the jungler) than a regular support.  His kit would suggest so with its high mobility and ways to lock down the enemy so others can properly position themselves.  And with his chimes giving him experience, and the potential kills, he should stay up in levels with his team, and putting the other team behind.  So what kind of team comp do you think bars would fit in the most, and what level does he begin to simply roam around the map?

Bard support can roam but only if they are winning lane. If your lane is behind you would make it worse. It's one of the skill things that just come from playing game after game.

If you really want to roam alot. Try bard jungle. Its important that you watch your team comp. but he proveds decent ganks with his Q. His health packs give sustain. I normally do it when my friend is playing a kill support like annie or vel,koz.

Bard jungle just doesn't have the stats I really want in a jungler and although he has sustain, I still as him having severe problems there.

What I mean is having a team comp around an arc that can fend for themselves well (and of course if it isn't going well you would go back) but bard would be a champion that could support the map as a whole and functions as a roaming support instead of a regular support.  With the plethora of mobility, and ways he could seriously help the jungler speed up farm, and with decent cc for ganks and the speed to zip around the map with his passive and E, if the adc does well on their own, he could be used in that way.  But then again it would have to go with a team comp set in mind.  If bard helps speed up the jungler and sustain him, suddenly the jungler is getting plenty of farm and positioning help for ganks, leveling and experience, and bard would just get exp from the ganks, occaisinal in lane appearance, and the chimes.
I love playing bard as a support (I've been winning a lot of solo queue games with him, and I have consistently gotten A's) he's just a fun champion with a lot of surprising ways to help get your adc to safety, and a lot of early game poke.  I may make him my main soon, along with lulu and Alastair. :D

I will say i like him paired with trist. Her wave clear and tower killing are both strong plus she has rocket jump if things get hairy. Lets them take a tower quickly or for her to hold out while bard roams.

I remember when I got an S+ with Bard...can't do much with him now. Teams just don't work together well enough for him to be effective how I play him. Any tips?

On the roaming support idea, you need self sufficient lanes. I can't really think of any ADCs that can hold their own 2v1 in even matchups.

Maybe Varus building more caster than ADC could work. Or Mordakiser if you get enough dragons. xD

Or you could flip the map. Have a strong top lane like Irelia or Garen take bot, have top lane Varus, Vayne, Ezreal or perhaps Tristana or Caitlyn. Bard roams with jungle a bit then starts dropping shrines where they're needed when they're needed and ganks/supports wherever.

I feel like it's a bit of a bad idea. But it could work...I'd rather do duo top three smite though.

Bards ult and Q.  For the most part his other two abilities are simple, place shrines, heal by targeting when nessicary, and place a portal to escape or maneuver around the map.  His Q does require some skill to land a stun, but look at the champion and then look at all possible things you could hit behind them or in front.  Hitting a creep in front of them and stunning them is just as good as hitting a creep, wall, tower, or champ behind them (sorta, personally rather'd have two champs stunned but you can take what you get).  If there is not a stun option around, the slow is plenty potent.   Understand its travel speed and leash length for a stun and you should be fine. 

For the ult, the best way to practice with it is to understand you are bad at it.  You will not get it right at first, and that's ok just keep practicing it.  Start first by aiming at fleeing enemies.  If you can get them, awesome you can catch up and your team can (most likely) kill them.  If not, it's fine, it isn't a game ending miss, and no one on your team died because of it.  After you've gotten used to it, and have done consecutively well with landing it, move on to disengaging closing in enemies.  More possible gain from landing, more possible loss for missing.  After that, go for saving allies who are low from a big attack from an enemy (brand ult).  Then to teamfights, and soon you'll really understand when to use your ult and where to aim it, the delay in the effect all of it.  It's one of (if not the) biggest part of his kit.  If not for...

HIS MEEPS AND LANE SUSTAIN AGHHHH!!!  He has ridiculous mana sustain and it is so amazing, understand when it is ok to leave lane, and when you need mana because bard does run out of mana.  Here's then thing, just go collect chimes to gain it back, and the movement speed buff from it helps you do it quickly and get back to lane.  Place your shrines, and relplace them when they are used.  The grounded heal has more healing then the point and click after it has charged up, but I find the target heal has more utility in fights.  And his meeps are the essential part of his kit, not his ult, not his q, not his sustain, nope it's his meeps.  Know how fast they come back to you, know how many you have, know when to attack in order to maximize the effectiveness of your slow (try to not just auto attack, make it so right when one slow ends, the other begins), know when you get your cone, and how big it is, just know your meeps.  They give you AMAZING early game harras, and late game, an AOE slow is awesome, especially when you can apply it four times (if you get 4 meeps).

That about sums up my post

Also kindred is out

Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on October 14, 2015, 06:59:16 PM
Also kindred is out

I want to try it.

Kindred is so much fun!! 😍

Already got the skin because I was like (I'm using this champ wether I like it or not because the art is so damn cool)

Lend me your account so I can try?

Got her(it? Them?) last night. So totally my new jungler. Her passive basicly gives her BoRKs passive. I built her attack speed in the one game i got to play.
First three are suggested by the game then i started adding my own stuff.

Trailblazer-devourer
B boots
BoRK
Randuins Hurricane(get those multi target passive and bork effects)
Static shiv(zap zap is always good)
Black Cleaver(no AS here but 400 hp plus the armor shred is nice when you attack so fast at that point. The CDR was nice for getting my W and E back up.)

All in all I found it crazy how fast you can build her stacks up. 1.25% damage might not seem like much but once you start to earn stacks it can really hurt.

Quote from: redwolv on October 15, 2015, 09:25:59 AM
Got her(it? Them?) last night. So totally my new jungler. Her passive basicly gives her BoRKs passive. I built her attack speed in the one game i got to play.
First three are suggested by the game then i started adding my own stuff.

Trailblazer-devourer
B boots
BoRK
Randuins Hurricane(get those multi target passive and bork effects)
Static shiv(zap zap is always good)
Black Cleaver(no AS here but 400 hp plus the armor shred is nice when you attack so fast at that point. The CDR was nice for getting my W and E back up.)

All in all I found it crazy how fast you can build her stacks up. 1.25% damage might not seem like much but once you start to earn stacks it can really hurt.

I built hurricane, trailblazer devourer, boRK, (forgot what boots), trinity force (because I personally don't like shiv), and last whisper.

Yeah, their passive is awesome, especially if the enemy team is feeling pressure early game, so you can go get the camp quickly and get out, without having to worry about someone jumping in on you.  You're best bet when going for a jungle stack on your passive is to wait until you know where all their champs are, and ward some ways the enemies can get to you depending on which camp you're taking.  Then mark their closest person (if you can see everyone), whoever you can't see (most of the time it's the jungler), or their most mobile champion (I.E. Just mark lee sin).

I like playing with a team that can cc great, because once you put down your ultimate, EVERYONE goes to it fast.  So your best bet, is to have some large AOE cc for when your ult ends.  Because everyone will be low, there has been very few team fights when almost everyone isn't near dead.  So if you do something like Janna tempest, Annie stun, orianna ult, alistar knock up, or if you just have a huge heal like Janna, or sorraka, you're good.  (Yasuo really capitalizes on the large knock up, like A LOT).  That is a good team comp, but my favorite is having someone who has amazing dot, and someone good at pushing the enemy team out, and have someone like brand apply his passive (or Darius who will probably apply a lot of stacks while in the ult) and Janna ult (or trist ult, or thresh in general) and before they can get back, the ult will either be over, or they will be dead.

I love this champ so much! 😍

I'm really wanting to try them now...seems amaze. Janna seems fricken awesome with Kindred.

Anyone with AoECC or knockback effects are awesome to pair with her(their) ulti

Janna is great with kindred.... And against kindred.  Oh she really screws you up, but she is really helpful when on your team

What are your thoughts on the current marksman reworks and just season 6 as a whole

Items, optimistic. New flasks sound good. New starting items sound good.

ADC reworks I'll just have to see. I think I like the Vayne one.

Masteries, I'm skeptical.

I like the look of the new masteries. Forces people to make choices and make a wider selection of mastery pages.(i have like 20 now but a friend has like 4). The adc reworks seem fine. Early game is gonna be dangerous with all of them doing ~10% more damage.

Quote from: redwolv on November 04, 2015, 04:15:38 PM
I like the look of the new masteries. Forces people to make choices and make a wider selection of mastery pages.(i have like 20 now but a friend has like 4). The adc reworks seem fine. Early game is gonna be dangerous with all of them doing ~10% more damage.

What's this you say?

Part of the marksmen rework is having the base ad increased but the ad growth/scaling per level is being reduced. As far as i remember from the pbe patch notes most marksmen where a ~50 now but are getting ~5 more on their base vaule. This ~10% more damage during the very early game.

I feel like Quinn is a lot better as a mid now and not an adc.  Mostly due to her roaming potential with her ult.  She was designed as the roaming marksman, and has amazing waveclear with her q and skystrike.

My favorite rework is still graves, because it just seems super cool.

Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on November 05, 2015, 07:50:30 AM
I feel like Quinn is a lot better as a mid now and not an adc.  Mostly due to her roaming potential with her ult.  She was designed as the roaming marksman, and has amazing waveclear with her q and skystrike.

My favorite rework is still graves, because it just seems super cool.

I think his rework is very flavorful but i am not sure about that shot skill passive. Seems like it will make cs hard to do as you miss minions while reloading or chuck one you didn't mean to hit and watching it die before your next attack. I can see that he might have some serious power if he gets to the right point/build but not sure how reliable he will get there and that is important. Maybe if quickdraw reloaded his gun too, or he had a backup attack, maybe at reduced damage, designed to only be uses to help cc. Hopefully my opinion will change when i get my hands on him.

Quote from: redwolv on November 05, 2015, 08:17:10 AM

Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on November 05, 2015, 07:50:30 AM
I feel like Quinn is a lot better as a mid now and not an adc.  Mostly due to her roaming potential with her ult.  She was designed as the roaming marksman, and has amazing waveclear with her q and skystrike.

My favorite rework is still graves, because it just seems super cool.

I think his rework is very flavorful but i am not sure about that shot skill passive. Seems like it will make cs hard to do as you miss minions while reloading or chuck one you didn't mean to hit and watching it die before your next attack. I can see that he might have some serious power if he gets to the right point/build but not sure how reliable he will get there and that is important. Maybe if quickdraw reloaded his gun too, or he had a backup attack, maybe at reduced damage, designed to only be uses to help cc. Hopefully my opinion will change when i get my hands on him.

QuickDraw doesn't reload? Design flaw.

Quote from: LinkCelestrial on November 05, 2015, 02:00:21 PM

Quote from: redwolv on November 05, 2015, 08:17:10 AM

Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on November 05, 2015, 07:50:30 AM
I feel like Quinn is a lot better as a mid now and not an adc.  Mostly due to her roaming potential with her ult.  She was designed as the roaming marksman, and has amazing waveclear with her q and skystrike.

My favorite rework is still graves, because it just seems super cool.

I think his rework is very flavorful but i am not sure about that shot skill passive. Seems like it will make cs hard to do as you miss minions while reloading or chuck one you didn't mean to hit and watching it die before your next attack. I can see that he might have some serious power if he gets to the right point/build but not sure how reliable he will get there and that is important. Maybe if quickdraw reloaded his gun too, or he had a backup attack, maybe at reduced damage, designed to only be uses to help cc. Hopefully my opinion will change when i get my hands on him.

QuickDraw doesn't reload? Design flaw.

I was mistaken, i reloads but only on round. Plus cutting his range from 5.25 temmos to 4.25 temmos is alot. I do wonder how attack sped scales for him, i can't find anything on it other then,"as slightly reduces reload time but greatly reduces time between shots." So AS could make him fire two attacks nearly instantly? Or is he still limited to 2.5 APS? Does the 2.5APS take into consideration of his reload? So he could attack 2 time in .4 seconds but then wait .x seconds for the reload?

There's some gameplay videos of him on the PBE. Red Mercy has the best one IMO.

His Q is op as heck. His tower pushing is Tristana comparable. He looks awesome and fun.

League is broken. The masteries have made some champions completely OP.

What do ya'll think of the new patch + adc rework? My team had 3 adcs yesterday and we completely wrecked them :P graves jg, quinn mid, varus adc.

I've been noticing graves jungle, mid Quinn is expected with the rework.  Any other changes to lanning position of the reworked champs?

Some champs have pushed others into unplayability due to the power level gap.

Vayne's early game and CS have taken a hit. Her late game? Well when you increase a true damage max health passive by 50% (8%-12%). Insane. BUT Caitlyn counters her SO HARD she's virtually unplayable. If Graves is smart and aggressive early, wrecks. So easily dealt with its terrible.

Only Quinn, Kog'maw and Graves have moved. Mid, mid and jungle respectively.

I'm going to try Bard with the new healing keystone and see what I think. Sounds good. Soraka is almost certainly better.

I'll have to see how it settles but ATM league is broken. 

Vayne really didn't need that buff. I have also seen graves in top. There needs a seriously rebalancing of things now. The adc reworks hasn't really changed up bottom late, it's changed team comps. And badly. The new heavy damage teams are crushing the normal balanced teams.

Quote from: redwolv on November 15, 2015, 03:40:28 PM
Vayne really didn't need that buff. I have also seen graves in top. There needs a seriously rebalancing of things now. The adc reworks hasn't really changed up bottom late, it's changed team comps. And badly. The new heavy damage teams are crushing the normal balanced teams.

It's not really that big of a buff. She is still one of the best balanced champions in LoL IMO. But I agree, team comps that take advantage of the new champs are just melting everyone else.

On that note I'm playing Sad Bullet Time pretty much until this boils over.

I haven't tried out sons yet, but with the shield/healing she should be a whole lot better.  Been playing a bit of anivia, and Caitlyn (kindred when nessicary) and that's been going ok.  Caitlyn does great, as does anivia (but then again that is anivia) kindred does pretty good, but not many tanks right now, so not great.

I got level 5 mastery on bard a little while ago :D

Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on November 15, 2015, 09:02:02 PM
I haven't tried out sons yet, but with the shield/healing she should be a whole lot better.  Been playing a bit of anivia, and Caitlyn (kindred when nessicary) and that's been going ok.  Caitlyn does great, as does anivia (but then again that is anivia) kindred does pretty good, but not many tanks right now, so not great.

I got level 5 mastery on bard a little while ago :D

Sona sounds really good...

Caitlyn needs a nerf. I was 3/1/5 as Vayne vs a 3?/1/1 Caitlyn and she THREE SHOTED ME. I couldn't farm, I couldn't engage, I couldnt do anything. There's no way in hell I should get 3HK'd when I won lane. It was super oppressive. I know Caitlyn is supposed to counter Vayne, but it shouldn't make it so I can't even farm in lane.

Autos or Q's

Quote from: redwolv on November 17, 2015, 08:56:02 AM
Autos or Q's

Autos.

Well after playing many games with fiora recently, I think that she needs a slight nerf, I have barely lost a game, and when I have lost a game it's because my team surrendered for no reason.  I don't think there has been a game where I haven't dominated my lane, and fiora is just an overall amazing duelist.  And after playing her, I realize that she's a little too amazing.  Maybe an increase in her mana costs or something.

I love Teemo! That little .poo. has won me countless games as well as hundreds of reports!

Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on December 07, 2015, 11:22:44 PM
Well after playing many games with fiora recently, I think that she needs a slight nerf, I have barely lost a game, and when I have lost a game it's because my team surrendered for no reason.  I don't think there has been a game where I haven't dominated my lane, and fiora is just an overall amazing duelist.  And after playing her, I realize that she's a little too amazing.  Maybe an increase in her mana costs or something.

Obviously you're better at her then I am...what build are you using?

Basically the suggested build with masteries and runes I found on mobafire

As soon as you learn how to harras with her, and auto attack cancel you basically with 4v1s (happened three different times) focus volibear and mundo and kill both of them in under 5 seconds. 

Link to the masteries and runes?

Here ya go http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/5-23-one-step-ahead-reworked-fiora-guide-430578

It also says what's the order you should auto attack cancel her abilities.  (Ravenous Hydra, he Q and E all reset her aa)

So haven't been on here in a while, and funny enough, my first post will be on the lol thread lol. I had to post up and tell everyone I had my first pentakill last weekend, it was a monumental moment. Jinx is my new favorite champion lol, late game she is simply a BEAST.

I got my first penta kill as draven. Build him right and his damage can be huge.

I can't play Draven no matter how hard I have practiced him 😓

Awesome job man, mad respect to people who can play him. 

Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on December 26, 2015, 06:57:23 PM
I can't play Draven no matter how hard I have practiced him 😓

Awesome job man, mad respect to people who can play him.

My secret is trinity force. Catching an axe reserts his W. Press W to get trinities spell blade effect. Repeat till everything dies or you run out of mana. Late game my normal build will can kill squishes with a single AA for well over 1000 damage. Not sure how well it would work after the marksmen updates. But focused on learning other roles better.

New essence reaver and you have infinite mana. Draven one shot builds are part of why rapid fire canon and shiv don't stack damage anymore.

So how did everyone land in the new season? Unfortunately, I'm B5 even though I went 5-5.

Haven't done placements. Been so busy...

Same here. Plus rank play has just soured for me. They say as you grind up out of bronze, all the rage and trolls dissappear but that isn't true from my experience.

I love the competitiveness of ranked, I guess it makes normal feel meaningless to me. I don't find the toxicity to be way worse than non ranked, but maybe it's just because it doesn't bother me much. Idk, maybe I'm retarded.

I often would have games with ragequit. Tryhards that jump on you with insults at the slightest mistake. People blaming everyone on their team when they are the one causing problems. Straight up trolls, who just try to ruin game. (For example in one of my placements i hade a tahm support. He swallowed me (at ~1/8 hp) flashed into the enemy bot tower and vomited me back up to the joy of the enemy adc.) now maybe i just get .poo. luck with my match making. But is this kinda stuff that just grinds my gears.
(Yes i reported him)

So is anyone else super scared for the new Mage reworks?  Veigar and malz being the biggest examples, because now with veigar getting AP for just hitting spells, and malz being a prominent sustained damage, I'm just a little worried.

Mostly because this is my midlane, anivia only got a small buff, and syndra got a nice buff, but Galio is still just kinda there, soooo.  Yeah

How about the new Rageblade? Bloodrazor? Dragons? It's going to break the game so hard. I am not looking forward to it.

They ruined top lane so bad that the queen of top lane, Irelia got buffed. Pre juggernaut she needed a nerf. Now they're going to ruin mid.

Imo viegar and malz totally did not need these buffs. They can already be a nightmare right now. They just arn't because of how the meta is.

The items are blegh, i don't get why they are adding items which basicly give a new spell and make non-mobile champs more mobile. Remember deathfire grasp? It was removed because it let mobile champions act as nukers. (Dfg arhi builds could oneshot nearly anyone.) this is just going the other way.

In theory the new dragons sounds good but I feel like in pactice it will hurt The game. Riot is always talking about how they want ways to make it so games are just not a huge snowball. Well these new dragons make snowballing much easier. While each one is worth less if the dominate team gets alll the early ones (say 4) when the elder spawns they get their current buffs apped up and a true damage dot for 45+45(4) that is a huge amount of true damage. At this point in the game if the losing team gets dragon they get nothing but a 45 damage dot.
Old dragon- come dragon 5 if it is the losing teams first dragon they get that 15% damage bonus. This is huge to bringing them back into the game.
I think with this new dragon it will be more inportant then ever to be the team that gets it. it gives solid buffs and come late game without the early dragons, late game elder dragon with worthless but you still have to make an attempt so the other team doesn't get a huge serioid to their power.

Rageblade is actually not that great, and with the new hextech force staff acting as ashe's volley with its fire bolts, that's what scares me.  Now mobile mages (oh god Diana is gonna be a nightmare) will nuke you down with an item.  Malz got damage reduction in his stuff, so he's less bursty, and more sustain.  Cass I think will be amazing, especially with the massive damage on her E and huge W.  Especially since the W stops mobile spells or actives.  Veigar will get nerfed into oblivion.  No question about it.  Kindred will be a lot more oppressive with the new 'devourer,' and shyv will fall further from favor.  Xin, and nocturne will start wreaking face, and reksai will get a boost from it as well.

Who knows maybe things will be ok

I think we might start to see apc in bot with ad assasin types staying in mid.

As a adc main I feel less and less effective in games. With so many assassins in the game it makes late game a nightmare as you are the primary target for them. Unless your team has good peel it is so easy to get nuked. Replacing the adc with a more moblie but still heavy nuking apc brings alot more survivable carry who can bring more utility to teamfights.

ADCs like Trist, Ezreal and Lucian are quite playable. Their escapes make them semi-safe, especially Trist's ult.

Dragon is going to be a huge deal. Team fights are going to be a constant thing.

For 3600 any champion can apply on hit twice. That's Irelia's true damage and regen, Vayne's Silver Bolts, Udyr, Vi, Ekko...anyone that wants it. Plus Rageblade is already a fantastic item. Vayne with Bloodrazor, BoRK and Rageblade will be doing 18% max health every two autos + %current health damage. Sounds broken. 

Quote from: LinkCelestrial on April 30, 2016, 04:10:23 PM
ADCs like Trist, Ezreal and Lucian are quite playable. Their escapes make them semi-safe, especially Trist's ult.

Dragon is going to be a huge deal. Team fights are going to be a constant thing.

For 3600 any champion can apply on hit twice. That's Irelia's true damage and regen, Vayne's Silver Bolts, Udyr, Vi, Ekko...anyone that wants it. Plus Rageblade is already a fantastic item. Vayne with Bloodrazor, BoRK and Rageblade will be doing 18% max health every two autos + %current health damage. Sounds broken.

True but what about the dozen+ other adcs, ashe, draven, jinx, jhin,kog, varus. I just don't like where they are heading.
Honestly i have started to play kindred adc. She is so fun in lane.
I also duo with a guy and we go hybrid teemo+hiemerdonger. He calls the lane fluffy f**ks. It is so annoyingly good.

Oh and I will probably be playing tonight if anyone wants to join me. Just add me in game, my user is: redwolv
Just like on here. I promise to play meta stuff if we go into ranked