Price Jumps and Drops

[Rass]

Let's get back to pricing. Start a new topic please if you want to continue about value and reprints.

[Falcon182]

This argument always chaps my ass. Why is it "entitlement" for players with valuable cards to want them to keep their value but it's not "entitlement" for people who don't have them to expect to be able to get and play with those cards for standard card prices? Hypocrites.

[Cender]

This argument always chaps my ass. Why is it "entitlement" for players with valuable cards to want them to keep their value but it's not "entitlement" for people who don't have them to expect to be able to get and play with those cards for standard card prices? Hypocrites.

You know what else chaps butts? {Whip of Erebos}. Reprinting in the Clash pack. Expect to see it drop back down in price. (Alt art is not so pretty either IMO)

Segues are fun.

[Mattao19]

I stockpiled like 50 of them, I'm gonna quit magic now that wotc  is reprinting money cards.

- said nobody ever

Actually ppl would they invested $X in their Legacy/Vintage Deck and if WotC reoriented stuff I could get the same deck for $X/2? That'd drive me crazy!!

[MuggyWuggy]

{polluted delta}
{windswept Heath}
{wooded foothills}
{flooded strand}
{bloodstained mire}
{voice of resurgence}
{courser of kruphix}
{kiora, the crashing price}
{utter end}
{rakshahaha Deathdealer}
{butcher of the horde}
{sarkhan the dragons peechee}
{sorin slimy visitor}
{heros downfall}
{ashiok, nightmare for abzan}
{dig through time}
{Vendillion clique}
{brimaz king cat}

What has moved rapidly and slowly and what has stayed the same since khans release

[Dstyle1]

It's only "entitlement" because they were previously told that it would never happen. And for me, it wasn't an investment, I just want its value to stay the same so I don't lose $1000+ dollars. I'm not trying to make money with it.

But you don't lose anything. You still have your cards. Only time you "lose" is when you sell, and then it's an investment.

Depreciation. Yes, it is still losing money regardless of if I sell it or not.

(And yes Tass, I am now done. Won't post again about this)

But it's fake money, but since you bought the cards to play it doesn't matter if the card can be sold for a billion dollars or 1 dollar, you still have it and you can still play with it.

[cltrn81]

It's only "entitlement" because they were previously told that it would never happen. And for me, it wasn't an investment, I just want its value to stay the same so I don't lose $1000+ dollars. I'm not trying to make money with it.

But you don't lose anything. You still have your cards. Only time you "lose" is when you sell, and then it's an investment.

Depreciation. Yes, it is still losing money regardless of if I sell it or not.

(And yes Tass, I am now done. Won't post again about this)

But it's fake money, but since you bought the cards to play it doesn't matter if the card can be sold for a billion dollars or 1 dollar, you still have it and you can still play with it.

I get your point, however, I do not agree with that.  There is more than just playing the game that is enjoyable about MtG.  MtG finance and collecting value is an enjoyable aspect of the game.  Just yesterday I bought a NM {gaea's cradle} for $150 and then got 10% off through my coolstuffinc.com account.....so the deal of $135 was very exciting   I have no intention of ever selling that cradle because I sold one before and regretted it for the reason of it gaining so much value and the fact that it is a great card to play with.  Now if that card depreciates because of a reprint .... that will make me sad   Sure I will still keep the card and I will still never get rid of it but there is something about having value in cards that is hard to put into words that is another enjoyable aspect of the game.

That may sound selfish a bit, and truthfully it is, but that is just one aspect of enjoying the game and so what if it is selfish.  I could argue there are other aspects of the game that are very altruistic...... for example, I will always take the time to help new players and I constantly give away my draft cards to young players in need.  I am comfortable in life and do not mind giving young kids $10 in cards that will make their day.  I know I am ranting here and going off subject.  My point is the value side of cards, and the thought that some values are guaranteed, make the game enjoyable from a different vantage point then just the enjoyableness of playing the game.

/end rant 

[cltrn81]

{Ghostfire Blade} Gonna go up a bit with manifest

I expect the foils are already going up...

I am gonna be a negative nancy on two posts in a row

I disagree.  There is no doubt the card is solid when you can stick it.  But it is just pure vanilla P/T and I still doubt it is gonna be good in constructed.  What manifest cards have really WOW'd you?  I am not really seeing that great of a manifest build but maybe I am wrong.

I will say that I bought like 10 {hooded hydra} at $.93/per just cuz of that interaction.  Hey I was making a tcg purchase anyway


Edit:  damn I had the opportunity to buy like 40 hydras under a buck a pop and now they are around $3-4 a pop (just a few vendors have one under $1 but they are charging $2-3 in shipping)

[MuggyWuggy]

Manifest should not reach standard.

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

Manifest should not reach standard.

Manifest WILL reach standard, but probably only in the form of {Reality Shift}.

[MuggyWuggy]

That's a removal card, that just gives someone a 2/2, which you kill your next turn

[particle]

That's a removal card, that just gives someone a 2/2, which you kill your next turn

{Swan song}...

[cltrn81]

That's a removal card, that just gives someone a 2/2, which you kill your next turn

{Swan song}...

Swan song is a counterspell.  That is blues thing all day long.  Exiling permanents in blue is just silly.

How about this
{1}{B}  "Broke ass black spell name"
Instant

Destroy target artifact or enchantment.  That permanents controller puts a 2/2 black zombie token into play.

[particle]

That's a removal card, that just gives someone a 2/2, which you kill your next turn

{Swan song}...

Swan song is a counterspell.  That is blues thing all day long.  Exiling permanents in blue is just silly.

How about this
{1}{B}  "Broke ass black spell name"
Instant

Destroy target artifact or enchantment.  That permanents controller puts a 2/2 black zombie token into play.

I was just talking about making 2/2s. Exiling is def sweet.

[Dmreiss]

It's only "entitlement" because they were previously told that it would never happen. And for me, it wasn't an investment, I just want its value to stay the same so I don't lose $1000+ dollars. I'm not trying to make money with it.

But you don't lose anything. You still have your cards. Only time you "lose" is when you sell, and then it's an investment.

Depreciation. Yes, it is still losing money regardless of if I sell it or not.

(And yes Tass, I am now done. Won't post again about this)

But it's fake money, but since you bought the cards to play it doesn't matter if the card can be sold for a billion dollars or 1 dollar, you still have it and you can still play with it.

I get your point, however, I do not agree with that.  There is more than just playing the game that is enjoyable about MtG.  MtG finance and collecting value is an enjoyable aspect of the game.  Just yesterday I bought a NM {gaea's cradle} for $150 and then got 10% off through my coolstuffinc.com account.....so the deal of $135 was very exciting   I have no intention of ever selling that cradle because I sold one before and regretted it for the reason of it gaining so much value and the fact that it is a great card to play with.  Now if that card depreciates because of a reprint .... that will make me sad   Sure I will still keep the card and I will still never get rid of it but there is something about having value in cards that is hard to put into words that is another enjoyable aspect of the game.

That may sound selfish a bit, and truthfully it is, but that is just one aspect of enjoying the game and so what if it is selfish.  I could argue there are other aspects of the game that are very altruistic...... for example, I will always take the time to help new players and I constantly give away my draft cards to young players in need.  I am comfortable in life and do not mind giving young kids $10 in cards that will make their day.  I know I am ranting here and going off subject.  My point is the value side of cards, and the thought that some values are guaranteed, make the game enjoyable from a different vantage point then just the enjoyableness of playing the game.

/end rant

Esssentially, when I buy expensive cards I am expecting them to maintain their value.  I want to know that if I change decks or want to trade for another value card that mine has retained its value, not decreased significantly from a reprint.