Price Jumps and Drops

[gtfotis]

I am so unhappy with all of the buyouts that happen on cards... it's unnecessary and unhealthy for the game.

Gotta make that money

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I am so unhappy with all of the buyouts that happen on cards... it's unnecessary and unhealthy for the game.

People buying and speculating on cards is not bad for the game imo. I mean sure its not great that legacy is prohibitively expensive, but does that mean wotc should just reprint abur duals out the ass? Unlikely. If the prices of abur duals dropped to like 5 dollars, some people would play, but many others would lose lots of money. Just like any commodity, corn, oil, cardboard, there are good reasons to create a market of supply and demand that isnt always perfectly satisfied.

[Destore117]

The thing with buyouts is that players looking for a particular card can't find them cuz they're stockpiled in someone's collection box waiting for the demand/price to change. It's annoying when it's like that last thing you need to complete a deck but as has been said its the same with any commodity those who can have 60 {Tarmogoyf's} tucked away for a rainy day, will. Just the way of the world. And buyouts are pretty decent signs of what's going on in the magic world. It can be frustrating but it is helpful.

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Now the question is this, if my 100$ Abu land is now worth 10.. am I going to quit the game? No. I'll be unhappy but I won't outright quit the gsme. I'll still buy cards and whatnot... after all, we are all addicted to the game. I feel that the "people won't play anymore" debate almost has no merit. Wizards won't take that much a hit I'd they reprint money cards, more people will end up playing

You seriously think people with full playsets of abur dual lands, some worth up to 300 dollars a piece, would just be unhappy but still support the game if they went down to ten dollars? These are serious investmests people have made and to act like they would just be perturbed seems incorrect to me. And sure, reprinting cards will allow some amount of people access that didnt have it before, but thay doesnt mean that it would be more than those that stopped contributing because of it.

[cltrn81]

Lol

Wizards should give warning and let them decide if they want to dump them or hold on while they plummet

That way the "investors" will dump and the players will keep for play

Would not work.  As soon as the announcement is made .... prices fall ... tons of them go up for sale ... the market falls even more as a result of people flooding the market with inventory.

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Imagine a program where wizards offers booster boxes  in exchange for old cards. A buy back program of sorts

But its not like most abur dual owners are standard players. i would assume very few would be happy trading their duals in for khans of tarkir as a last resort before they {plummet}.

[imthelolrus]

Let the prices plummet
The people who bought them as investments get their hands to "collect" like an other "stock" investor, choose to act before the fall or suffer.

They got them because at some point they wanted to sell them, the only reason they would be pissed if this happened is because they didn't get to sell them for as much as they "could" have.

But isn't every person who invests subject to the same possibility? We all wish we could bail at the perfect moment before something looses value?

It's not about the "perfect moment" as it is about significant return on your investment, making back 4 times what you put in looks pretty good on paper. The reserved list isn't going away and is helpful for me as a collector to understand the {Gaea's Cradle} I bought for 100$ will maintain or exceed that value.

I see this mentality in MTG often and I think it can skew how we perceive our hobby and is unhealthy. We see others who bought into duals when they were 100-150$ apiece, or held their Zen fetches when they were 10$. We are jealous. We had Onslaught fetches reprinted, and what I heard wasnt "Yes! I can finally own these expensive lands!!!" It was instead predictions and desires to have the other 5 in the next set, or quickly.

This isn't meant to be taken as a rant, simply a message that we as players, collectors, and MTG addicts cannot have our cake and eat it too. We won't get everything we want, as quickly as we want it. It took a long time to get a fetch reprint and we were all patient. Keep in mind the amount of money your LGS would loose on a abur dual functional reprint. Chances are if I don't have a store to play in and a community to support my hobby, I won't be buying much Wotc products.

[MuggyWuggy]

Lets stop this "if they reprinted" debate

They won't ever reprint ABUR duals. End of story.


They have created shocks and fetches to help those who don't have original duals have an option of having the somewhat proper mana base with the downside of paying life.

Buyouts of cards happen all the time and people say "damn I should've thought of that"

Dark depths last year for example. It's a great card, now it's $45+ card and $160+ foil.

It sucks for the guy who needs to obtain, but for the collector they are happy. Hence why I collect FULL foreign sets. Why spend all this money on cards to have them shoot down in value? The game would have a much smaller fan base if it ended up costing money purely with no potential of earning something back.


If you wanna invest in cards: standard preorder speculation or foils. Otherwise if its not on the reserved list, expect potential heartbreak

[rarehuntertay]

Nearly any of the expensive cards on the Reserved List will maintain value. Last year at this time, a HP {Timetwister} could be bought on TCGPlayer for $250. I almost bit. The day after Christmas this year, I actually went to the card shop that had the lowest priced Twister on TCGPlayer (since I was in the area) and haggled them down to $400 (they were selling it for 450), mainly because I was buying other cards with it. I didn't get it for the speculation that it will increase in value (it will, as it is Power 9), but because I wanted it for my deck. I know that the card will increase in value, unless Wizards rescinds the Reserved List or everyone stops playing, neither of which I see happening. For anyone that is interested, they were selling a M/NM Timetwister for 700. Now that card was absolutely gorgeous, with no blemishes that I could see, and they were more than happy to let me examine it for myself. I was so tempted to get it.

[Dstyle1]

If wizards reprinted my old expensive stuff id pretty much stop playing, because I don't want to spend money on a deck then lose all my money. I might play mtgo but that's about it.

I would think this is the ultimate endgame for wizards!

[Rass]

Let's get back to topic. This sounds like it could get to be a good discussion. Maybe start a new topic and see how out of hand we can get. 😉😉

Might also want to start a to ban or not to ban tv while we are at it.

[Destore117]

I like how it went from price jumps and drops to opinions on Magic card value and the reasons behind it.

[rarehuntertay]

I like how it went from price jumps and drops to opinions on Magic card value and the reasons behind it.

But doesn't that go hand in hand with price jumps and drops 😉

[Mr_Fahrenheit]

I know it won't happen, but hypothetically speaking, if wizards decided to reprint those lands or similar money cards some people might quit. I personally think the game is better off without those people. All that is is a sense of entitlement when they, in my opinion, have no right to have. If you want to make a return on your investment, sell when the price is high. If they get reprinted and your collection loses value, bad luck. Your investment didn't pay off. Either keep playing the game like the rest of us or go find some other commodity to develop a false sense of entitlement for.

On a more positive note, look at the khans fetches. The old ones took a slight hit. But they are still the original version and will always be worth more than the reprint. If that isn't good enough for you, you aren't into magic for the right reasons.

[Dstyle1]

It's only "entitlement" because they were previously told that it would never happen. And for me, it wasn't an investment, I just want its value to stay the same so I don't lose $1000+ dollars. I'm not trying to make money with it.

But you don't lose anything. You still have your cards. Only time you "lose" is when you sell, and then it's an investment.