Republican debate

Piotr · December 21, 2015, 07:54:48 AM

Quote from: Kaylesh on December 21, 2015, 06:54:50 AM
Didn't Trump also want to enforce this banning for US citizens with ties to said nations?

No he did not, as far as I understand, he's too clever for that. People do themselves great disservice underestimating the man. Do not portray sharp and clever man as dumb and retarded, all will see through it. What Trump proposed is fully legal as far as Ultimate Law and even US Constitution goes, regardless of whether it would have the desired effect if implemented, or not. He has shown legal documents to back it up, including examples of similar bans by previous president, Democrat I believe?

In any case this is missing the point, Trump's proposal was meant to stage him as leading the national debate, and it did just so. He is just doing his job, and good at it.

Quote from: Kaylesh on December 21, 2015, 06:54:50 AM
Also, it would make the state "own" the country, over individual properties in said country.
Banning an individual who owns a piece of your country seems to be setting the state above the individual.

State do indeed own the function of border control, so they trump whatever individual embedded private property laws say. Trump says about it: "if you don't have border, you don't have a state" and he has a point. This is passive thing though, they cannot force anyone to settle on your sub-property, they can only ban someone at the borders, so no worries.

Kaylesh · December 21, 2015, 05:01:54 PM

Shows how much value I should put in what I read.
He's definitely not retarded. He's smart and calculating, that's what scares me about him.

Rass · December 21, 2015, 05:44:02 PM

Ultimate Law

Logic is the ultimate law.

Do not do to others what they would not want to be done to them, or you will be punished regardless of your will.

So you don't mind that if I do not agree with your religious views I can keep you out? The United States was biased in religious freedom. Now the president can up and change it? What if he changes his mind on something else?

Test · December 22, 2015, 01:47:40 AM

Quote from: Rass on December 21, 2015, 05:44:02 PM
So you don't mind that if I do not agree with your religious views I can keep you out?

Logic is consistent. If I want to keep the right to ban unwanted guests from my internet forum because I'm the creator and owner of the forum, it is only fair that I agree to grant the same right to the representative of The People Who Hold The Property Right To Their Country, be it UK, USA or else

Quote from: Rass on December 21, 2015, 05:44:02 PM
The United States was biased in* religious freedom. Now the president can up and change it? What if he changes his mind on something else?

He cannot change it, if only because of 2nd fix, but the proposal was meant to show Obama doing nothing in response to Trumps proposal, it was not meant to be immediately executed by president Obama, who currently wields such powers as shown by examples of less glorious past

Perhaps you are making the mistake of discussing the wrong tool?

* I replied as if you were autocorrected from 'based on [principle of]'.

Rass · December 22, 2015, 12:46:13 PM

Yes thank you fat fingers

Piotr · February 25, 2016, 02:20:19 AM

I can see how my call to stop insults thrown at the future POTUS was a right one. How do you feel about Trump being the next POTUS, as all seems to lead into this version of the future? I feel optimistic.

One of the others who correctly predicted Trumps win very early is Scott Adams of the Dilbert fame, good reading too: http://blog.dilbert.com/post/139541975641/the-trump-master-persuader-index-and-reading-list

Kaylesh · February 25, 2016, 06:08:57 AM

Quote from: Piotr on February 25, 2016, 02:20:19 AM
I can see how my call to stop insults thrown at the future POTUS was a right one. How do you feel about Trump being the next POTUS, as all seems to lead into this version of the future? I feel optimistic.

One of the others who correctly predicted Trumps win very early is Scott Adams of the Dilbert fame, good reading too: http://blog.dilbert.com/post/139541975641/the-trump-master-persuader-index-and-reading-list

I for one think it is WAY to early to be calling this. I could see even see a Sanders-Trump election happen. I could even see Sanders tag Clinton as running vice, then Sanders dying and Clinton taking the throne. Likewise I could see Trump's running mate become the power.

All is speculation at this point, with just 5 states having had their elections for the candidates. Anything could tip the scales violently in the coming year.

MuggyWuggy · February 25, 2016, 06:52:30 AM

A lot of folks thought GW Bush was going to be a great president also.

blackychan1 · February 25, 2016, 10:06:56 AM

There are several countries that don't like trump. Even if he wins the Popular Vote, there is a chance that the Electoral College will choose the other candidate. It would not be the first time a candidate has lost with the Popular Vote.

Piotr · February 26, 2016, 03:32:44 PM

Quote from: Kaylesh on February 25, 2016, 06:08:57 AM
Quote from: Piotr on February 25, 2016, 02:20:19 AM
How do you feel about Trump being the next POTUS, as all seems to lead into this version of the future? I feel optimistic.

I for one think it is WAY to early to be calling this.

Prophets tell the future as soon as they see it, no matter how distant it is ;]

Not all of the future is clouded, you see.

Piotr · February 27, 2016, 12:07:22 PM

Quote from: MuggyWuggy on February 25, 2016, 06:52:30 AM
A lot of folks thought GW Bush was going to be a great president also.

That one was a disaster. How about Obama, disappointment or not?

Piotr · March 01, 2016, 01:56:50 PM

I hear Trump used KKK to get $45 millions worth of free air time. Can't confirm as I do not watch US TV other than via youtube...

Kaylesh · March 02, 2016, 05:02:37 AM

Quote from: Piotr on March 01, 2016, 01:56:50 PM
I hear Trump used KKK to get $45 millions worth of free air time. Can't confirm as I do not watch US TV other than via youtube...

I hear many a disturbing thing about his affiliations. If I were to believe them he'll use anything to get more time in the spotlights. However, I'm unsure what is real and what is propaganda.

Piotr · March 06, 2016, 02:02:51 AM

When you use a hammer to nail something, are you really affiliated with the hammer, or are you just using it? Do you think the KKK were happy about being used and discarded the way Trump did it to earn air time?

Kaylesh · March 06, 2016, 01:17:47 PM

Quote from: Piotr on March 06, 2016, 02:02:51 AM
When you use a hammer to nail something, are you really affiliated with the hammer, or are you just using it? Do you think the KKK were happy about being used and discarded the way Trump did it to earn air time?

I apologize. I read it as "used his connections within" instead of "used".
If Trump used them as machinations, I'd figure they wouldn't be too pleased once they were discarded. People tend to not like being used in that way, as "kruiwagen" as we call it in Dutch.

(Edit: literal English translation being "wheelbarrow")