Try a new thread on here.... What ticks you folks off? My most recent is...
Don't you just hate when pull the emblem out of a box of boosters, but not the walker to go with it?
I hate when school.
Quote from: Mlerner12 on December 01, 2013, 04:21:51 PM
I hate when school.
Relatable quote of the day ^^^^
I also hate when people go through every phase of their turn. Like when they say
"Untap. Upkeep. Draw. 1st Main phase - play a land. Enter Combat. Enter Declare Attackers step. Declare no attackers. Enter declare blockers phase.....etc."
Agreed, announcing phases is one thing, announcing the steps of a phase when your not going to do anything in that step is a bit weird.
Quote from: Kurama on December 01, 2013, 04:23:16 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on December 01, 2013, 04:21:51 PM
I hate when school.
Relatable quote of the day ^^^^
I also hate when people go through every phase of their turn. Like when they say
"Untap. Upkeep. Draw. 1st Main phase - play a land. Enter Combat. Enter Declare Attackers step. Declare no attackers. Enter declare blockers phase.....etc."
This! Lol
I hate it when people nerdrage during or after a game, note this has never happened at FNM, but at games I go to that my friends host. It happens all the time. My friend Tim drew his cards, kept his hand instead of mulling again...by turn four he jumped up and threw his cards on the table and started flipping his library all over the table until he came to land cards (he got mana f***ed) and started shouting profanities. It was so annoying :/ I get mana screwed sometimes but I never act like that lol.
I hate it when people who better understand subjects in school are forced to sit in classes with people well below their level and the class is dumbed down to the point where those who do get it are so bored they don't pay attention or do their work. And then the people who are slowing the class down and making it insufferable for you complain that you are being distracting.
Quote from: Kurama on December 01, 2013, 04:23:16 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on December 01, 2013, 04:21:51 PM
I hate when school.
Relatable quote of the day ^^^^
I also hate when people go through every phase of their turn. Like when they say
"Untap. Upkeep. Draw. 1st Main phase - play a land. Enter Combat. Enter Declare Attackers step. Declare no attackers. Enter declare blockers phase.....etc."
If you don't declare steps at a tournament someone can get you disqualified
Also I've played people who don't and then as they lay down land and play a 2nd spell, ask if they are unsure if they drew, played a land etc (very important when playing a mazes end deck) and we had played before with him doing the same thing, told him to announce steps. I talked to a few people at the shop also and he's played like that before.
So I think it's very necessary to announce each phase.
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 01, 2013, 04:56:22 PM
I hate it when people who better understand subjects in school are forced to sit in classes with people well below their level and the class is dumbed down to the point where those who do get it are so bored they don't pay attention or do their work. And then the people who are slowing the class down and making it insufferable for you complain that you are being distracting.
Does your school have AP classes or a separated cluster for TAG...talented and Gifted?
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 01, 2013, 04:56:22 PM
I hate it when people who better understand subjects in school are forced to sit in classes with people well below their level and the class is dumbed down to the point where those who do get it are so bored they don't pay attention or do their work. And then the people who are slowing the class down and making it insufferable for you complain that you are being distracting.
I would +1 this infinity amount of times for infinity period of time!!!!
I hate it when younger siblings.
I also hate it when desync.
Quote from: Metalxdelights on December 01, 2013, 05:15:24 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 01, 2013, 04:56:22 PM
I hate it when people who better understand subjects in school are forced to sit in classes with people well below their level and the class is dumbed down to the point where those who do get it are so bored they don't pay attention or do their work. And then the people who are slowing the class down and making it insufferable for you complain that you are being distracting.
Does your school have AP classes or a separated cluster for TAG...talented and Gifted?
We have some but not enough. I am in every advanced class I can be in right now and I am still bored out of my mind. I am taking (as a Junior) pre-calculus, AP Biology, AP Microeconomics, English 1510 and Music Theory I but all of my other classes are normal.
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 01, 2013, 05:47:30 PM
Quote from: Metalxdelights on December 01, 2013, 05:15:24 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 01, 2013, 04:56:22 PM
I hate it when people who better understand subjects in school are forced to sit in classes with people well below their level and the class is dumbed down to the point where those who do get it are so bored they don't pay attention or do their work. And then the people who are slowing the class down and making it insufferable for you complain that you are being distracting.
Does your school have AP classes or a separated cluster for TAG...talented and Gifted?
We have some but not enough. I am in every advanced class I can be in right now and I am still bored out of my mind. I am taking (as a Junior) pre-calculus, AP Biology, AP Microeconomics, English 1510 and Music Theory I but all of my other classes are normal.
Same thing happened to me back in the day. My Advanced calculus teacher actually let me sleep the whole period cause I brought my book to class once... Lol. Gotta love the "No child left behind" act. It took all advantages away from the kids who school work came easy and gave it to the students that it didnt. I'm not bashing the kids that it's more difficult for, just standing up for the ones that get it easy.
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 01, 2013, 05:47:30 PM
Quote from: Metalxdelights on December 01, 2013, 05:15:24 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 01, 2013, 04:56:22 PM
I hate it when people who better understand subjects in school are forced to sit in classes with people well below their level and the class is dumbed down to the point where those who do get it are so bored they don't pay attention or do their work. And then the people who are slowing the class down and making it insufferable for you complain that you are being distracting.
Does your school have AP classes or a separated cluster for TAG...talented and Gifted?
We have some but not enough. I am in every advanced class I can be in right now and I am still bored out of my mind. I am taking (as a Junior) pre-calculus, AP Biology, AP Microeconomics, English 1510 and Music Theory I but all of my other classes are normal.
Maybe you should try going to magnet school. I felt the same way some of my school years. While in 7-8th grade I went to a school that was split in half, one half was a magnet school and the other half just public. In high school I went to BTWHSPVA and I absolutely loved it, not to mention they challenge you and it looks good on your college resume. It only good if you're into visual arts, dance, theatre, and music. Upon being accepted you have to declare a cluster and your classes are split between academic and your cluster :)
Quote from: Butch1977 on December 01, 2013, 05:51:21 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 01, 2013, 05:47:30 PM
Quote from: Metalxdelights on December 01, 2013, 05:15:24 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 01, 2013, 04:56:22 PM
I hate it when people who better understand subjects in school are forced to sit in classes with people well below their level and the class is dumbed down to the point where those who do get it are so bored they don't pay attention or do their work. And then the people who are slowing the class down and making it insufferable for you complain that you are being distracting.
Does your school have AP classes or a separated cluster for TAG...talented and Gifted?
We have some but not enough. I am in every advanced class I can be in right now and I am still bored out of my mind. I am taking (as a Junior) pre-calculus, AP Biology, AP Microeconomics, English 1510 and Music Theory I but all of my other classes are normal.
Same thing happened to me back in the day. My Advanced calculus teacher actually let me sleep the whole period cause I brought my book to class once... Lol. Gotta love the "No child left behind" act. It took all advantages away from the kids who school work came easy and gave it to the students that it didnt. I'm not bashing the kids that it's more difficult for, just standing up for the ones that get it easy.
exactly. I was always ahead of everyone in my classes, finished my daily assignment and even had time to do my homework in class as well. :/
Quote from: Muggywuggy on December 01, 2013, 05:09:20 PM
Quote from: Kurama on December 01, 2013, 04:23:16 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on December 01, 2013, 04:21:51 PM
I hate when school.
Relatable quote of the day ^^^^
I also hate when people go through every phase of their turn. Like when they say
"Untap. Upkeep. Draw. 1st Main phase - play a land. Enter Combat. Enter Declare Attackers step. Declare no attackers. Enter declare blockers phase.....etc."
If you don't declare steps at a tournament someone can get you disqualified
Also I've played people who don't and then as they lay down land and play a 2nd spell, ask if they are unsure if they drew, played a land etc (very important when playing a mazes end deck) and we had played before with him doing the same thing, told him to announce steps. I talked to a few people at the shop also and he's played like that before.
So I think it's very necessary to announce each phase.
👆Agree completely!👆
Quote from: Taysby on December 01, 2013, 06:24:49 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 01, 2013, 05:47:30 PM
Quote from: Metalxdelights on December 01, 2013, 05:15:24 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 01, 2013, 04:56:22 PM
I hate it when people who better understand subjects in school are forced to sit in classes with people well below their level and the class is dumbed down to the point where those who do get it are so bored they don't pay attention or do their work. And then the people who are slowing the class down and making it insufferable for you complain that you are being distracting.
Does your school have AP classes or a separated cluster for TAG...talented and Gifted?
We have some but not enough. I am in every advanced class I can be in right now and I am still bored out of my mind. I am taking (as a Junior) pre-calculus, AP Biology, AP Microeconomics, English 1510 and Music Theory I but all of my other classes are normal.
Sissy. Take ap calc as a junior. That's what the big boys do. ;)
I remember that class. I tested into a junior calc class as a fresh in college. Not too bad....
Quote from: Taysby on December 01, 2013, 06:24:49 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 01, 2013, 05:47:30 PM
Quote from: Metalxdelights on December 01, 2013, 05:15:24 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 01, 2013, 04:56:22 PM
I hate it when people who better understand subjects in school are forced to sit in classes with people well below their level and the class is dumbed down to the point where those who do get it are so bored they don't pay attention or do their work. And then the people who are slowing the class down and making it insufferable for you complain that you are being distracting.
Does your school have AP classes or a separated cluster for TAG...talented and Gifted?
We have some but not enough. I am in every advanced class I can be in right now and I am still bored out of my mind. I am taking (as a Junior) pre-calculus, AP Biology, AP Microeconomics, English 1510 and Music Theory I but all of my other classes are normal.
Sissy. Take ap calc as a junior. That's what the big boys do. ;)
You can't in my school. Its stupid.
If you take 'Advanced Math' you take: 8th grade-Integrated Algebra, 9th-Integrated Geometry, 10th-Algebra 2/Trigonometry, 11th-Precalc, 12th-Calc, Calc 2
If you take normal math classes you take: 9th-Integrated Algebra, 10th-Integrated Geometry, 11th-Algebra 2/Trigonometry for half the year and Precalc the other half, 12th-Calc, Calc 2
So either way, you end up in the same classes. The only difference is by taking Advanced Math I get a free block open in my 11th year which allowed me to take Psychology and Sociology this year.
AP European History is a great course in my school, I have never ever enjoyed a history or social studies class before this one. AP course Sophmore year! That's what the big boys do! Graduate with honors? How about graduate with distinction!
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 01, 2013, 04:56:22 PM
I hate it when people who better understand subjects in school are forced to sit in classes with people well below their level and the class is dumbed down to the point where those who do get it are so bored they don't pay attention or do their work. And then the people who are slowing the class down and making it insufferable for you complain that you are being distracting.
I know how you feel bro. I had to drop out of school not only because of this, but because like 80% of my teachers were making homework 60% of the final grade. Being as smart as I was I never did homework for the simple case of, "if I know how to do something, and I get 90 or higher on a test, why must I do homework and waste the entirety of my after school/weekend to PROVE that I know it, when I consistently prove it on tests?" Ended up failing all of my classes sophomore year, talking to my favorite teachers/counsolers and parents and realizing that is would be better in my position to drop out, get my GED, and start college. Sooooo...
TL;DR - Teachers are retarded...
Nothing against all teachers, my Spanish teacher was an still is my favorite teacher ever. But when you have to dumb down an advanced class and then make homework a must do to pass just so most of the class won't fail, it's ignorant. I'm at a loss for words of how stupid the grading scale was.
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 01, 2013, 04:56:22 PM
I hate it when people who better understand subjects in school are forced to sit in classes with people well below their level and the class is dumbed down to the point where those who do get it are so bored they don't pay attention or do their work. And then the people who are slowing the class down and making it insufferable for you complain that you are being distracting.
Public education system in a nutshell :D
Quote from: Piotr on December 02, 2013, 04:49:55 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 01, 2013, 04:56:22 PM
I hate it when people who better understand subjects in school are forced to sit in classes with people well below their level and the class is dumbed down to the point where those who do get it are so bored they don't pay attention or do their work. And then the people who are slowing the class down and making it insufferable for you complain that you are being distracting.
Public education system in a nutshell :D
Big deciding factor in why my daughter will be going to private school in a couple years.
I am currently in private college prep school taking AP classes... I honestly don't know how I survived those years of public education but they sucked.
I hate the asinine belief that pit bulls are a "dangerous breed." The media talks about them all the time, but never when a German shepherd attacks someone. Any dog has the potential to bite someone ad they all have a form of aggression, but pit bulls seem to be the focal point of the media.
Quote from: Noblellama on December 02, 2013, 07:02:02 PM
If you are equating "dangerous" = bite frequency then Pomeranians are f***ing ferocious!!!
Hahaha! Touchè good sir!
I think its hilarious when people are scared of dogs. 99% of the time all you have to do is stick your hand out with your palm open and the dog will come up to you, sniff your hand and will be fine.
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 02, 2013, 07:11:33 PM
I think its hilarious when people are scared of dogs. 99% of the time all you have to do is stick your hand out with your palm open and the dog will come up to you, sniff your hand and will be fine.
And this is why my nickname is Stubby and had to learn how to write with my left hand..... Hahah jk. So true. All dogs are juat big giant puppies if you show them some real love. I'm such a harda*# when it comes to everything except dogs. I'm the biggest softy you've ever met.
Quote from: Noblellama on December 02, 2013, 07:02:02 PM
If you are equating "dangerous" = bite frequency then Pomeranians are f***ing ferocious!!!
Exactly! Just because pitties have the capacity to maul someone doesn't mean they are the only ones who will! Small dogs are generally the most aggressive. Damn chihuahuas.... I love my job haha (work at a humane society)
Quote from: Silent1236 on December 02, 2013, 07:35:57 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on December 02, 2013, 07:02:02 PM
If you are equating "dangerous" = bite frequency then Pomeranians are f***ing ferocious!!!
Exactly! Just because pitties have the capacity to maul someone doesn't mean they are the only ones who will! Small dogs are generally the most aggressive. Damn chihuahuas.... I love my job haha (work at a humane society)
Already gave you a +1 today but will definitely back track tomorrow to give another. Hats off sir. I volunteer at mine every chance I get.
What reeeeeally grinds my gears is when people post things on social media without checking their sources. That is how misinformation and rumors are spread.
Quote from: IceScythe on December 02, 2013, 05:05:25 PM
I am currently in private college prep school taking AP classes... I honestly don't know how I survived those years of public education but they sucked.
So you're paying more to take the same classes at a private school?
Quote from: Moneekahh on December 02, 2013, 07:45:42 PM
What reeeeeally grinds my gears is when people post things on social media without checking their sources. That is how misinformation and rumors are spread.
When I read this I heard Sean Connery saying "Your mother is (blah blah blah) Trebec!" Hahah
Quote from: Taysby on December 02, 2013, 08:05:44 PM
Quote from: Silent1236 on December 02, 2013, 06:50:22 PM
I hate the asinine belief that pit bulls are a "dangerous breed." The media talks about them all the time, but never when a German shepherd attacks someone. Any dog has the potential to bite someone ad they all have a form of aggression, but pit bulls seem to be the focal point of the media.
That is because pit bulls are more likely to be aggressive. It's in their genes. And they have the strength to back it up. German shepards are the police dogs right? The media doesn't cover that because pretty much the only people who own them are the police. There just aren't that many, bt there are a lot of pit bulls.
Before pitbulls caught big media hype all that was talked about were shepards, rotties, and dobermans. There are TONS of these three types used as guard dog capacities. The above statemnet is very misinformed sir. I will not -1 for it because these are the dogs that the media covers now and A&E makes shows about. But in the late 70's when the Omen premiered Rottweilers had the same reputation of the pitbulls today. And they have a stroger bite than a pit. It's what is displayed on the media hype. Don't believe it. If you can prove me wrong with substantiated research ai will retract this statement.
Quote from: Taysby on December 02, 2013, 08:05:44 PM
Quote from: Silent1236 on December 02, 2013, 06:50:22 PM
I hate the asinine belief that pit bulls are a "dangerous breed." The media talks about them all the time, but never when a German shepherd attacks someone. Any dog has the potential to bite someone ad they all have a form of aggression, but pit bulls seem to be the focal point of the media.
That is because pit bulls are more likely to be aggressive. It's in their genes. And they have the strength to back it up. German shepards are the police dogs right? The media doesn't cover that because pretty much the only people who own them are the police. There just aren't that many, bt there are a lot of pit bulls.
It's in their genes? I've been around hundreds of pits at work (seriously) and never been bitten by one. I've been around 5-10 shepherds, I've been bitten by one and there has only been one single shepherd that hasn't had any noticeable form of aggression. It's in the numbers. Pit bulls (which isn't an actual breed, btw, just a generalization [see: boxers, bull dogs, staffordshire terriers, etc.]) were the "big thing" and everyone had one. If there are a million pit bulls and only ten thousand other dogs, of course the "aggression" in pit bulls is going to be more noticeable. There's more of them! But, they've gotten a terrible reputation from the media. I've got a min pin, an Italian greyhound, and a "pit bull" in my house, the out is the least aggressive of the three, and the other two aren't aggressive at all!
Damn, I could rant about this alllll day long...
Please research your information before posting about stereotypical dog behavior
Quote from: Silent1236 on December 02, 2013, 08:28:44 PM
Quote from: Taysby on December 02, 2013, 08:05:44 PM
Quote from: Silent1236 on December 02, 2013, 06:50:22 PM
I hate the asinine belief that pit bulls are a "dangerous breed." The media talks about them all the time, but never when a German shepherd attacks someone. Any dog has the potential to bite someone ad they all have a form of aggression, but pit bulls seem to be the focal point of the media.
That is because pit bulls are more likely to be aggressive. It's in their genes. And they have the strength to back it up. German shepards are the police dogs right? The media doesn't cover that because pretty much the only people who own them are the police. There just aren't that many, bt there are a lot of pit bulls.
It's in their genes? I've been around hundreds of pits at work (seriously) and never been bitten by one. I've been around 5-10 shepherds, I've been bitten by one and there has only been one single shepherd that hasn't had any noticeable form of aggression. It's in the numbers. Pit bulls (which isn't an actual breed, btw, just a generalization [see: boxers, bull dogs, staffordshire terriers, etc.]) were the "big thing" and everyone had one. If there are a million pit bulls and only ten thousand other dogs, of course the "aggression" in pit bulls is going to be more noticeable. There's more of them! But, they've gotten a terrible reputation from the media. I've got a min pin, an Italian greyhound, and a "pit bull" in my house, the out is the least aggressive of the three, and the other two aren't aggressive at all!
Damn, I could rant about this alllll day long...
Breathe it out brother. It's the medias fault. You can't blame someone for accepting what they see as headline news if they believe they they are watching news. You are very correct in your facts, unfortunately not everyone knows the facts. The purebred "numbers" of pits are almost nonexistant. If a dog has a broad chest and wide jaws they are a "pit" unfortunately. Let us not jump to blame but let us educate. That's the problem. As lovers of the big breeds we need to let people know and educate rather than lose our temper. Dogs can't can't talk. We can. :-)
There's no such thing as a bad dog. Just bad, stupid, idiotic, moronic, ignorant owners.
I have been bit in the eye and in the arm by dogs but I still love them. I have two myself: a Lhasa Apso and a Golden Retriever.
Quote from: Muggywuggy on December 02, 2013, 08:40:15 PM
Please research your information before posting about stereotypical dog behavior
I'm not trying to further the debate. I'm wondering about the research aspect of this post. I keep pretty up to date with "aggresive" breed dog reports. I'm a big supporter of Rottweilers. I'm wondering about the information your talking about.
You know what grinds MY gears: back and forthing about a topic and the same things are being said over and over just in different wording. And one side has facts and experience and the other has what the news says.
Jus sayin.
Haha sorry if I'm sounding rude! Not trying to come off that way! When I get going on a topic I have strong opinions about, I just go :P. Don't mean to come off the wrong way 👍
Quote from: Noblellama on December 02, 2013, 09:05:56 PM
I'm not a mod, just a poster here, and I'm not saying anyone has done it, but PLEASE do not let this get personal, these are all opinions shared by people who have opinions like we all do.
I really would like to see a happy discussion between logical mature individuals. Thank you all for doing this so far and not letting this slide downhill.
End rant :)
Totally agree! It should always be a discussion. Everyone has their personal views of this situation. It is a very touchy subject we have gotten to. And thank you Nobel Llama for pointing this out. Your screen name fits your post... :-) and that is meant in all seriousness. Deep breaths had by all and friendly discussion from this point on good sir.
Quote from: #noided on December 02, 2013, 07:47:51 PM
Quote from: IceScythe on December 02, 2013, 05:05:25 PM
I am currently in private college prep school taking AP classes... I honestly don't know how I survived those years of public education but they sucked.
So you're paying more to take the same classes at a private school?
essentially yes, but in my last school you couldn't take AP courses until 11th grade and my classmates were terrible. now i can take an AP course as a sophomore which feels much more my speed and my classmates are awesome! i have literally not been offered drugs, been threatened, or been pummeled into the sidewalk once! (all of which happened at some point or another in my old school) i love it here. i absolutely detest public school systems as opposed to private schools as i have been to two public schools and two private schools.
Quote from: Noblellama on December 02, 2013, 09:14:05 PM
Not accusing anyone, you guys are being opinionated, that's what we do as humans.
I just don't want to see this go down the path that so many topics have before.
I would +1 but I already hit you with one today. And on another note this is my number 400 post!
Quote from: Noblellama on December 02, 2013, 09:24:22 PM
Quote from: IceScythe on December 02, 2013, 09:19:01 PM
Quote from: #noided on December 02, 2013, 07:47:51 PM
Quote from: IceScythe on December 02, 2013, 05:05:25 PM
I am currently in private college prep school taking AP classes... I honestly don't know how I survived those years of public education but they sucked.
So you're paying more to take the same classes at a private school?
essentially yes, but in my last school you couldn't take AP courses until 11th grade and my classmates were terrible. now i can take an AP course as a sophomore which feels much more my speed and my classmates are awesome! i have literally not been offered drugs, been threatened, or been pummeled into the sidewalk once! (all of which happened at some point or another in my old school) i love it here. i absolutely detest public school systems as opposed to private schools as i have been to two public schools and two private schools.
Not to say they are all good or all bad, but I was raised entirely in public schools and though we had our fair share of drug issues and fights and whatnot, no one ever beat me up and I still got a very solid education. Can't say this is always the case but occasionally they work.
well sure, there are nice public schools and trashy private schools, but i just cant get over the change between my last school and this one. i actually look forward to school every day and just the whole school community and student body are great. :D whatevs
Quote from: IceScythe on December 02, 2013, 09:27:47 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on December 02, 2013, 09:24:22 PM
Quote from: IceScythe on December 02, 2013, 09:19:01 PM
Quote from: #noided on December 02, 2013, 07:47:51 PM
Quote from: IceScythe on December 02, 2013, 05:05:25 PM
I am currently in private college prep school taking AP classes... I honestly don't know how I survived those years of public education but they sucked.
So you're paying more to take the same classes at a private school?
essentially yes, but in my last school you couldn't take AP courses until 11th grade and my classmates were terrible. now i can take an AP course as a sophomore which feels much more my speed and my classmates are awesome! i have literally not been offered drugs, been threatened, or been pummeled into the sidewalk once! (all of which happened at some point or another in my old school) i love it here. i absolutely detest public school systems as opposed to private schools as i have been to two public schools and two private schools.
Not to say they are all good or all bad, but I was raised entirely in public schools and though we had our fair share of drug issues and fights and whatnot, no one ever beat me up and I still got a very solid education. Can't say this is always the case but occasionally they work.
well sure, there are nice public schools and trashy private schools, but i just cant get over the change between my last school and this one. i actually look forward to school every day and just the whole school community and student body are great. :D whatevs
Not everybody has the cash to go to private schools though. What we should do is fix the public schools...
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 02, 2013, 09:31:07 PM
Quote from: IceScythe on December 02, 2013, 09:27:47 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on December 02, 2013, 09:24:22 PM
Quote from: IceScythe on December 02, 2013, 09:19:01 PM
Quote from: #noided on December 02, 2013, 07:47:51 PM
Quote from: IceScythe on December 02, 2013, 05:05:25 PM
I am currently in private college prep school taking AP classes... I honestly don't know how I survived those years of public education but they sucked.
So you're paying more to take the same classes at a private school?
essentially yes, but in my last school you couldn't take AP courses until 11th grade and my classmates were terrible. now i can take an AP course as a sophomore which feels much more my speed and my classmates are awesome! i have literally not been offered drugs, been threatened, or been pummeled into the sidewalk once! (all of which happened at some point or another in my old school) i love it here. i absolutely detest public school systems as opposed to private schools as i have been to two public schools and two private schools.
Not to say they are all good or all bad, but I was raised entirely in public schools and though we had our fair share of drug issues and fights and whatnot, no one ever beat me up and I still got a very solid education. Can't say this is always the case but occasionally they work.
well sure, there are nice public schools and trashy private schools, but i just cant get over the change between my last school and this one. i actually look forward to school every day and just the whole school community and student body are great. :D whatevs
Not everybody has the cash to go to private schools though. What we should do is fix the public schools...
amen to that brudda! and i probably couldnt afford it without my mother having a staff discount on tuition because she is an administrative director there.
Quote from: IceScythe on December 02, 2013, 09:35:55 PM
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I am currently in private college prep school taking AP classes... I honestly don't know how I survived those years of public education but they sucked.
So you're paying more to take the same classes at a private school?
essentially yes, but in my last school you couldn't take AP courses until 11th grade and my classmates were terrible. now i can take an AP course as a sophomore which feels much more my speed and my classmates are awesome! i have literally not been offered drugs, been threatened, or been pummeled into the sidewalk once! (all of which happened at some point or another in my old school) i love it here. i absolutely detest public school systems as opposed to private schools as i have been to two public schools and two private schools.
Not to say they are all good or all bad, but I was raised entirely in public schools and though we had our fair share of drug issues and fights and whatnot, no one ever beat me up and I still got a very solid education. Can't say this is always the case but occasionally they work.
well sure, there are nice public schools and trashy private schools, but i just cant get over the change between my last school and this one. i actually look forward to school every day and just the whole school community and student body are great. :D whatevs
Not everybody has the cash to go to private schools though. What we should do is fix the public schools...
amen to that brudda! and i probably couldnt afford it without my mother having a staff discount on tuition because she is an administrative director there.
Ny daughter has two note years till kindergarten so we are already saving for the cost of tuition. it helps having a good job but thats still a lot of dough.
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Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 02, 2013, 09:31:07 PM
What we should do is fix the public schools...
How?
Well for one putting caps on teacher salaries. We have a teacher at our school who is terrible but makes $80,000+ and has tenure. Secondly, get rid of tenure. I'd also suggest separating people into high, middle and low schools as they do in some other countries. This would allow those who are more intelligent and are more serious about their education could go to "high school" were they would receive a higher quality education and those who only want a basic high school degree (because they are planning on going into a field that doesn't require knowledge of calculus and chemistry) to go to low schools.
If you don't like what is provided to you at very minimal/no cost, you can blame your guardians for that.
Don't you just hate when you wake up from a dreamer, being convinced it was real?! Man, that destroys me sometimes!
I hate it when Templars.
I also hate it when a potential place of work that I've been at for one day decides to not take me back cause one of the supervisors saw me on my phone to send a quick text.
I hate when you have to kill the Companion Cube :(
You know there's a theory going around that the Companion Cube actually holds the souls/essence of the deceased Aperture employees?
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You know there's a theory going around that the Companion Cube actually holds the souls/essence of the deceased Aperture employees?
Well, it actually holds the bodies of failed test subjects ;)
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You know there's a theory going around that the Companion Cube actually holds the souls/essence of the deceased Aperture employees?
Well, it actually holds the bodies of failed test subjects ;)
Ah! Well, there you go.
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You know there's a theory going around that the Companion Cube actually holds the souls/essence of the deceased Aperture employees?
Well, it actually holds the bodies of failed test subjects ;)
Ah! Well, there you go.
;)
Quote from: xStrayKnightx on December 03, 2013, 06:55:55 PM
I hate it when Templars.
I also hate it when a potential place of work that I've been at for one day decides to not take me back cause one of the supervisors saw me on my phone to send a quick text.
Just dont be on your phone? I turn my phone off once I clock in and only on breaks. You get paid to work not be on your phone.
I wish it were that easy. Marriage is on the rocks at the moment, so the wife and I are still trying to figure out what to do.
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I wish it were that easy. Marriage is on the rocks at the moment, so the wife and I are still trying to figure out what to do.
I understand I've been there. But at the end of the day you get paid to work. Idk how many angry messages ive had because I dont use my phone at work. My marriage is important but at the end of the day if yii get fired or let go because you're arguing via text how many more problems will that create.
I hate it when fire nation.
I hate it when it's a trap
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I hate it when it's a trap
I conversely hate it when it's a tarp.
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I hate it when it's a trap
I conversely hate it when it's a tarp.
Every Yu-Gi-Oh players nightmare. XD
A trap? Or a tarp? Big difference between the 2 :P
both are equally dangerous.
I need to figure out how to post pics! The Star Wars googly eyes admiral belongs here! ^^ Hahah
I hate when I pour a bowl of cereal and when I got to get the milk there's none left. :(
I hate when there's no more OJ. I'm an OJ addict. Shut up. It's not like you need therapy for that... Right?
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I hate when there's no more OJ. I'm an OJ addict. Shut up. It's not like you need therapy for that... Right?
Pulp or no pulp?
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What we should do is fix the public schools...
How?
Well for one putting caps on teacher salaries.
By putting caps on teachers' salaries you will make sure that only dumb people, who are otherwise unable to find a proper job without salary cap, will end up as teachers.
Try again, how?
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Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 02, 2013, 09:31:07 PM
What we should do is fix the public schools...
How?
Well for one putting caps on teacher salaries.
By putting caps on teachers' salaries you will make sure that only dumb people, who are otherwise unable to find a proper job without salary cap, will end up as teachers.
Try again, how?
Yes, just take one idea and discard the others. Also I am not talking about capping salaries at $25,000 or something. I am saying like $50-60,000. That way we wouldn't have terrible teachers with tenure making $80-90,000/year.
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Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 02, 2013, 09:31:07 PM
What we should do is fix the public schools...
How?
Well for one putting caps on teacher salaries.
By putting caps on teachers' salaries you will make sure that only dumb people, who are otherwise unable to find a proper job without salary cap, will end up as teachers.
Try again, how?
we should remove standardized testing and multiple choice from the face of the planet, that's a start. Then we need lunch programs that serve food of all things. Then we need to buy every teacher a pair of prescription glasses and a hearing aid. It could work.
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Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 02, 2013, 09:31:07 PM
What we should do is fix the public schools...
How?
Well for one putting caps on teacher salaries.
By putting caps on teachers' salaries you will make sure that only dumb people, who are otherwise unable to find a proper job without salary cap, will end up as teachers.
Try again, how?
Yes, just take one idea and discard the others. Also I am not talking about capping salaries at $25,000 or something. I am saying like $50-60,000. That way we wouldn't have terrible teachers with tenure making $80-90,000/year.
You know we don't just work the hours we're in the school grounds, right? Four words that isn't even the tip of why teachers are paid what they are: Reports, Marking, Programs, Excursions.
Conan, I hug you!
An analogy for those who don't understand 'the ladder'. When out at dinner, only the ignorant blame and yell at the waitress for their poor quality meal.
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I hate when there's no more OJ. I'm an OJ addict. Shut up. It's not like you need therapy for that... Right?
Pulp or no pulp?
Both. No pulp is more common in gallon containers, but I like some pulp normally.
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Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 02, 2013, 09:31:07 PM
What we should do is fix the public schools...
How?
Well for one putting caps on teacher salaries.
By putting caps on teachers' salaries you will make sure that only dumb people, who are otherwise unable to find a proper job without salary cap, will end up as teachers.
Try again, how?
Yes, just take one idea and discard the others. Also I am not talking about capping salaries at $25,000 or something. I am saying like $50-60,000. That way we wouldn't have terrible teachers with tenure making $80-90,000/year.
The point of allowing high salaries to be given without a cap would ensure only competent people are given the job in the first place. Higher wages means an institution is much more selective of applicants and more bad teachers will be filtered out.
The number of terrible teachers with tenure is far smaller than the number of terrible teachers. Especially in the context of public schools.
I would suggest (addressing the original question) that the rise of teacher salaries will be proportional to a rise in test scores.
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Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 02, 2013, 09:31:07 PM
What we should do is fix the public schools...
How?
Well for one putting caps on teacher salaries.
By putting caps on teachers' salaries you will make sure that only dumb people, who are otherwise unable to find a proper job without salary cap, will end up as teachers.
Try again, how?
Yes, just take one idea and discard the others.
The problem with your ideas it is that they all have been tried and the result was the overall decrease of quality of education system. Why do you insist on implementing Socialism in America, ignoring 150 years of history proving it doesn't work? We tried that for you in Europe and it doesn't work.
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Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 02, 2013, 09:31:07 PM
What we should do is fix the public schools...
How?
Well for one putting caps on teacher salaries.
By putting caps on teachers' salaries you will make sure that only dumb people, who are otherwise unable to find a proper job without salary cap, will end up as teachers.
Try again, how?
Yes, just take one idea and discard the others.
The problem with your ideas it is that they all have been tried and the result was the overall decrease of quality of education system. Why do you insist on implementing Socialism in America, ignoring 150 years of history proving it doesn't work? We tried that for you in Europe and it doesn't work.
Yup, those shorter work weeks, better working conditions, and other improvements in the lives of everyday men and women sure was socialist trade unions failing :P
Not at all, those were byproduct of technological progress. Unions just slowed the inevitable. If you claim that unions gave those to us, you will be tried for lying on my forum. Do you claim that?
The only thing we as consumers and employees need is competition between producers and employers. Unions stifle that, proven by 150 years of history and solid science, Nobel prizes and all.
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Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 02, 2013, 09:31:07 PM
What we should do is fix the public schools...
How?
Well for one putting caps on teacher salaries.
By putting caps on teachers' salaries you will make sure that only dumb people, who are otherwise unable to find a proper job without salary cap, will end up as teachers.
Try again, how?
Yes, just take one idea and discard the others.
The problem with your ideas it is that they all have been tried and the result was the overall decrease of quality of education system. Why do you insist on implementing Socialism in America, ignoring 150 years of history proving it doesn't work? We tried that for you in Europe and it doesn't work.
Yup, those shorter work weeks, better working conditions, and other improvements in the lives of everyday men and women sure was socialist trade unions failing :P
improved conditions? in soviet Russia.. conditions improve YOU. sorry that was lame :D
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Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 02, 2013, 09:31:07 PM
What we should do is fix the public schools...
How?
Well for one putting caps on teacher salaries.
By putting caps on teachers' salaries you will make sure that only dumb people, who are otherwise unable to find a proper job without salary cap, will end up as teachers.
Try again, how?
Yes, just take one idea and discard the others.
The problem with your ideas it is that they all have been tried and the result was the overall decrease of quality of education system. Why do you insist on implementing Socialism in America, ignoring 150 years of history proving it doesn't work? We tried that for you in Europe and it doesn't work.
Yup, those shorter work weeks, better working conditions, and other improvements in the lives of everyday men and women sure was socialist trade unions failing :P
Not at all, those were byproduct of technological progress. Unions just slowed the inevitable. If you claim that unions gave those to us, you will be tried for lying on my forum. Do you claim that?
The only thing we as consumers and employees need is competition between producers and employers. Unions stifle that, proven by 150 years of history and solid science, Nobel prizes and all.
I respectfully disagree. Consider the American labour union movement or the Irish Labour riots. Both of these pushed the issues of slums into the forefront and spawned the progressive movement in the states and action for the poor in Ireland.
Well during the industrial revolution, that didn't work too well for England, where all of the labor unions pushed for reforms and better conditions and more pay, and were denied and disbanded for their efforts. The only one that succeeded in the long run was the Chartist Movement, which wasn't even a labor union but a political movement. although it failed initially, all of the reforms that it pushed were enacted within 50 years. all of the trade and labor unions did nothing except fail strikes and eventually were prohibited from going on strike at all. labor union movements are most certainly not reliable.
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The problem with your ideas it is that they all have been tried
...and as we all know if you try something a couple times and it doesn't work, completely abandon the idea and all related routes. To quote Daniel Tosh, "does everything have to be so black and white in this kindergarten country of ours?" I'm sure you have heard of Edison's quest to make a light bulb, it took over 10,000 attempts, but I bet if you look around your house, you will see he succeeded.
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 05, 2013, 08:53:49 PM
Quote from: Piotr on December 05, 2013, 05:04:49 AM
The problem with your ideas it is that they all have been tried
...and as we all know if you try something a couple times and it doesn't work, completely abandon the idea and all related routes. To quote Daniel Tosh, "does everything have to be so black and white in this kindergarten country of ours?" I'm sure you have heard of Edison's quest to make a light bulb, it took over 10,000 attempts, but I bet if you look around your house, you will see he succeeded.
He found 10,000 ways on how not to make a lightbulb. That's impressive if you ask me.
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on December 05, 2013, 08:53:49 PM
Quote from: Piotr on December 05, 2013, 05:04:49 AM
The problem with your ideas it is that they all have been tried
...and as we all know if you try something a couple times and it doesn't work, completely abandon the idea and all related routes.
By a couple of times he clearly referred to many many years.
So yes, of course you abandon it if it doesnt work
Making the lightbulb was a trial and error whose errors did not mean generations of poorly educated people
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Quote from: Piotr on December 05, 2013, 05:04:49 AM
The problem with your ideas it is that they all have been tried
...and as we all know if you try something a couple times and it doesn't work, completely abandon the idea and all related routes. To quote Daniel Tosh, "does everything have to be so black and white in this kindergarten country of ours?" I'm sure you have heard of Edison's quest to make a light bulb, it took over 10,000 attempts, but I bet if you look around your house, you will see he succeeded.
Moron is not a person who makes a silly mistake, moron is a person who makes the same mistake over and over again.
Socialism fails for a reason, well explained and logical. Reality proves that failure again and again.
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Quote from: Piotr on December 05, 2013, 05:04:49 AM
The problem with your ideas it is that they all have been tried
...and as we all know if you try something a couple times and it doesn't work, completely abandon the idea and all related routes. To quote Daniel Tosh, "does everything have to be so black and white in this kindergarten country of ours?" I'm sure you have heard of Edison's quest to make a light bulb, it took over 10,000 attempts, but I bet if you look around your house, you will see he succeeded.
Moron is not a person who makes a silly mistake, moron is a person who makes the same mistake over and over again.
Socialism fails for a reason, well explained and logical. Reality proves that failure again and again.
So Edison was a moron? And your definition is off.
Insanity is defined as doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Trying to achieve a goal by using different techniques and approaches is problem solving.
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When things are crazy like 14 hour work days, almost no pay, and very dangerous working conditions,
All most sounds like the military...
Quote from: Taysby on December 06, 2013, 09:39:39 AM
Let me revise that statement, when working conditions are bad (I summarized), and they have no choice but to take it to stay alive, that's when unions are good.
as i said before, werent to good for Great Britain, even in those conditions. 16 hour work days at 10 cents an hour? unions tried but were never able to do that, it took a huge political movement to fix that problem.
Quote from: Taysby on December 06, 2013, 09:39:39 AM
Let me revise that statement, when working conditions are bad (I summarized), and they have no choice but to take it to stay alive, that's when unions are good.
People want to go into the military even though they don't get 6 digit salarys. They still get respectable salarys, for example I know several people in the military, and they all make about $60,000 a year. That's not amazingly high, but that's still enough to raise a family and such. The dangerous conditions, well... You can't do anything about that. No one can. The military IS spending insane amounts of money on increasing safety though.
Safety is increasing, yes. What ranks are the people you know? I've been in eleven years, and I only make about 32k a year as an E5. Deployments, especially to combat zones, are always dangerous, yet a lot of the incentives to deploy are disappearing. The military is being forced to make a lot of cuts, just like the American education system is being forced to make cuts. This I really hate, as education is probably one of the most important things to have.
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Quote from: Taysby on December 06, 2013, 09:39:39 AM
Let me revise that statement, when working conditions are bad (I summarized), and they have no choice but to take it to stay alive, that's when unions are good.
as i said before, werent to good for Great Britain, even in those conditions. 16 hour work days at 10 cents an hour? unions tried but were never able to do that, it took a huge political movement to fix that problem.
Actually, the Labour Party helped to push the Liberal movement in England to help the lower class.
but not a single reform was made as a direct result of the Labour Unions, it might have helped the moral of the people and established for them set goals of what they wanted to happen, but it most certainly did not make it happen.
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Quote from: Taysby on December 06, 2013, 09:39:39 AM
Let me revise that statement, when working conditions are bad (I summarized), and they have no choice but to take it to stay alive, that's when unions are good.
People want to go into the military even though they don't get 6 digit salarys. They still get respectable salarys, for example I know several people in the military, and they all make about $60,000 a year. That's not amazingly high, but that's still enough to raise a family and such. The dangerous conditions, well... You can't do anything about that. No one can. The military IS spending insane amounts of money on increasing safety though.
Safety is increasing, yes. What ranks are the people you know? I've been in eleven years, and I only make about 32k a year as an E5. Deployments, especially to combat zones, are always dangerous, yet a lot of the incentives to deploy are disappearing. The military is being forced to make a lot of cuts, just like the American education system is being forced to make cuts. This I really hate, as education is probably one of the most important things to have.
more educated public = democracy works as it should
Dat causation tho
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The problem with your ideas it is that they all have been tried
...and as we all know if you try something a couple times and it doesn't work, completely abandon the idea and all related routes. To quote Daniel Tosh, "does everything have to be so black and white in this kindergarten country of ours?" I'm sure you have heard of Edison's quest to make a light bulb, it took over 10,000 attempts, but I bet if you look around your house, you will see he succeeded.
Moron is not a person who makes a silly mistake, moron is a person who makes the same mistake over and over again.
Socialism fails for a reason, well explained and logical. Reality proves that failure again and again.
So Edison was a moron? And your definition is off. Insanity is defined as doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Trying to achieve a goal by using different techniques and approaches is problem solving.
No, it is moronic to try implementing Socialism again and again.
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Quote from: Taysby on December 06, 2013, 09:39:39 AM
Let me revise that statement, when working conditions are bad (I summarized), and they have no choice but to take it to stay alive, that's when unions are good.
as i said before, werent to good for Great Britain, even in those conditions. 16 hour work days at 10 cents an hour? unions tried but were never able to do that, it took a huge political movement to fix that problem.
No, what took to fix the problem was the progress of technology, people become more efficient through use of machines. Thus making it possible for shorter working hours, and this process will continue. Nothing to do with trade unions, who only slow the progress of technology, by imposing silly regulations via government. We have better working conditions despite trade unions., not thanks to them. Workers want better conditions and they ask for better conditions every yearly review. You will learn that when you experience the real world ;)
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Quote from: Taysby on December 06, 2013, 09:39:39 AM
Let me revise that statement, when working conditions are bad (I summarized), and they have no choice but to take it to stay alive, that's when unions are good.
as i said before, werent to good for Great Britain, even in those conditions. 16 hour work days at 10 cents an hour? unions tried but were never able to do that, it took a huge political movement to fix that problem.
No, what took to fix the problem was the progress of technology, people become more efficient through use of machines. Thus making it possible for shorter working hours, and this process will continue. Nothing to do with trade unions, who only slow the progress of technology, by imposing silly regulations via government. We have better working conditions despite trade unions., not thanks to them. Workers want better conditions and they ask for better conditions every yearly review. You will learn that when you experience the real world ;)
yep, trade unions most certainly didn't help, despite their intentions.
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Quote from: Taysby on December 06, 2013, 09:39:39 AM
Let me revise that statement, when working conditions are bad (I summarized), and they have no choice but to take it to stay alive, that's when unions are good.
as i said before, werent to good for Great Britain, even in those conditions. 16 hour work days at 10 cents an hour? unions tried but were never able to do that, it took a huge political movement to fix that problem.
No, what took to fix the problem was the progress of technology, people become more efficient through use of machines. Thus making it possible for shorter working hours, and this process will continue. Nothing to do with trade unions, who only slow the progress of technology, by imposing silly regulations via government. We have better working conditions despite trade unions., not thanks to them. Workers want better conditions and they ask for better conditions every yearly review. You will learn that when you experience the real world ;)
yep, trade unions most certainly didn't help, despite their intentions.
Yes they did. Read speeches and memoirs about the Liberal reforms at the beginning of the twentieth century. One of the major concerns was the rise of Labour and trade unions and losing power to both them and socialism if reforms were not made. To say they accomplished nothing is silly. The same goes for the United States. Hell, Germany was run by Social Democrats, who helped establish the moden welfare state.
Oh, they helped establish plenty of evil things. You are correct that Hitler was a Socialist, but I'm not sure he and his Socialist Germany is something to be proud of?
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Quote from: Taysby on December 06, 2013, 09:39:39 AM
Let me revise that statement, when working conditions are bad (I summarized), and they have no choice but to take it to stay alive, that's when unions are good.
as i said before, werent to good for Great Britain, even in those conditions. 16 hour work days at 10 cents an hour? unions tried but were never able to do that, it took a huge political movement to fix that problem.
No, what took to fix the problem was the progress of technology, people become more efficient through use of machines. Thus making it possible for shorter working hours, and this process will continue. Nothing to do with trade unions, who only slow the progress of technology, by imposing silly regulations via government. We have better working conditions despite trade unions., not thanks to them. Workers want better conditions and they ask for better conditions every yearly review. You will learn that when you experience the real world ;)
yep, trade unions most certainly didn't help, despite their intentions.
Yes they did. Read speeches and memoirs about the Liberal reforms at the beginning of the twentieth century. One of the major concerns was the rise of Labour and trade unions and losing power to both them and socialism if reforms were not made. To say they accomplished nothing is silly. The same goes for the United States. Hell, Germany was run by Social Democrats, who helped establish the moden welfare state.
Oh, they helped establish plenty of evil things. You are correct that Hitler was a Socialist, but I'm not sure he and his Socialist Germany is something to be proud of?
I was referring to the party that held power around the turn of the 20th century. Hitler executed and persecuted members of the SDP and that comment is an insult to those whom he murdered. Perhaps if you weren't in such a hurry to hate socialism you'd make less ignorant statements.
Hitler was a democratically elected leader of National Socialist German Workers Party. He was a Socialist. This is an objective truth.
Your statements are insult to all people able to think logically, and you are treading a very thin ice.
Quote from: ConanEdo on December 07, 2013, 06:44:57 AM
Hitler was a fascist, quite a different ideology, and was concerned with matters of fanatic nationalism and race. Socialism, as described by the SDP, is about class and the brotherhood of workers beyond the boundaries of the state.
LOL. Fascists are Socialists, you dare to insult my political knowledge without knowing the very basics yourself. German economy during the time of Hitler was run in a Socialist manner, this is an objective fact.
Whatever the crooks from SDP described themselves as or what their intentions were doesn't matter at all, what matters was that they ruined German economy by implementing Socialism. As far as economy goes, there is not significant difference between SDP or NSDAP or any other Socialist party. They rob the people of their wealth and redistribute it under false pretences.
Quote from: ConanEdo on December 07, 2013, 06:44:57 AM
Hitler was a fascist, quite a different ideology, and was concerned with matters of fanatic nationalism and race. Socialism, as described by the SDP, is about class and the brotherhood of workers beyond the boundaries of the state. Again, do your research and you wouldn't make these mistakes.
However, seeing as you have threatened executive action both here and on PM, I will acquiesce to your request to stop saying things you don't like.
You insult me suggesting that my research is inadequate, I spent 20 years studying Socialism in its various forms. If you want to keep posting on this forum, do it in a civilised manner. Do not lie. I'm not interested in your opinions about myself, but if you insist on sharing these I'll let you know that I divide people advocating Socialisms into two groups: morons or crooks.
Quote from: Mlerner12 on December 07, 2013, 10:17:10 AM
Quote from: Piotr on December 07, 2013, 07:39:31 AM
Quote from: ConanEdo on December 07, 2013, 07:36:43 AM
Cool story bro
See you in 7 days.
Ohhhh snap! Lol sorry, couldn't resist. What law did he break?
._. I'm just gonna... Well actually I agreed with you. You studied socialism for 20 years? That's impressive.
Quote from: Mlerner12 on December 07, 2013, 10:17:10 AM
Ohhhh snap! Lol sorry, couldn't resist. What law did he break?
Just being down right rude!
Quote from: Spikepit on December 07, 2013, 03:01:21 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on December 07, 2013, 10:17:10 AM
Ohhhh snap! Lol sorry, couldn't resist. What law did he break?
Just being down right rude!
Maybe it was a sincere cool story bro. Like "that's a cool and interesting story, and I'm glad you told it."
Quote from: Spencer Addington on December 07, 2013, 03:02:51 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on December 07, 2013, 03:01:21 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on December 07, 2013, 10:17:10 AM
Ohhhh snap! Lol sorry, couldn't resist. What law did he break?
Just being down right rude!
Maybe it was a sincere cool story bro. Like "that's a cool and interesting story, and I'm glad you told it."
i dont know, the sarcasm that typically accompanies that phrase is slathered on pretty thick.
True. He was probably just being sarcastic.
Quote from: Spencer Addington on December 07, 2013, 03:07:15 PM
True. He was probably just being sarcastic.
Bahahahaaa! I like what you did there.
Quote from: Spencer Addington on December 07, 2013, 03:07:15 PM
True. He was probably just being sarcastic.
it usually means something more along the lines of "i really don't care about whatever you are talking about"
Quote from: IceScythe on December 07, 2013, 03:10:57 PM
Quote from: Spencer Addington on December 07, 2013, 03:07:15 PM
True. He was probably just being sarcastic.
it usually means something more along the lines of "i really don't care about whatever you are talking about"
(Spencer himself was being sarcastic)
Quote from: Spikepit on December 07, 2013, 03:36:56 PM
Quote from: IceScythe on December 07, 2013, 03:10:57 PM
Quote from: Spencer Addington on December 07, 2013, 03:07:15 PM
True. He was probably just being sarcastic.
it usually means something more along the lines of "i really don't care about whatever you are talking about"
(Spencer himself was being sarcastic)
Is that what I was doing? I had no idea. Jk I'll stop now :)
Quote from: Spencer Addington on December 07, 2013, 03:38:03 PM
Quote from: Spikepit on December 07, 2013, 03:36:56 PM
Quote from: IceScythe on December 07, 2013, 03:10:57 PM
Quote from: Spencer Addington on December 07, 2013, 03:07:15 PM
True. He was probably just being sarcastic.
it usually means something more along the lines of "i really don't care about whatever you are talking about"
(Spencer himself was being sarcastic)
Is that what I was doing? I never knew. Jk I'll stop now :)
;)
Quote from: Mlerner12 on December 07, 2013, 10:17:10 AM
Quote from: Piotr on December 07, 2013, 07:39:31 AM
Quote from: ConanEdo on December 07, 2013, 07:36:43 AM
Cool story bro
See you in 7 days.
Ohhhh snap! Lol sorry, couldn't resist. What law did he break?
We only have one, do not do to others what they wouldn't want to be done to themselves. I don't want people on my forum advertising socialism using lies. You can advocate socialism using logic and objective facts, no problem.
Quote from: IceScythe on December 07, 2013, 11:37:07 AM
You studied socialism for 20 years? That's impressive.
I'm not quite sure if 'impressive' is the right word. Perhaps 'mad' is more appropriate ;)
Nevertheless, .politics. is my lifelong hobby, I know the theory and practice in and out.
Quote from: Piotr on December 08, 2013, 05:48:42 AM
Quote from: IceScythe on December 07, 2013, 11:37:07 AM
You studied socialism for 20 years? That's impressive.
I'm not quite sure if 'impressive' is the right word. Perhaps 'mad' is more appropriate ;)
Nevertheless, .politics. is my lifelong hobby, I know the theory and practice in and out.
.politics. aren't my forte, however history, especially military and cultural history do interest me. i am currently taking an advanced placement course on European history, its amazing how much ive learned, even just the things i've learned about America. the profound dumbness of Mary Antoinette never ceases to amaze me.
Quote from: Piotr on December 08, 2013, 05:48:42 AM
Quote from: IceScythe on December 07, 2013, 11:37:07 AM
You studied socialism for 20 years? That's impressive.
I'm not quite sure if 'impressive' is the right word. Perhaps 'mad' is more appropriate ;)
Nevertheless, .politics. is my lifelong hobby, I know the theory and practice in and out.
I don't like .politics. and don't see how you could like it, seeing as the word itself translated from Latin means "many blood sucking creatures" . I just don't see how you could do that for 20 years and be sane and not smug and jerkish like most other politicians you see and hear about
Quote from: Mozilla butcher on December 08, 2013, 01:36:50 PM
Quote from: Piotr on December 08, 2013, 05:48:42 AM
Quote from: IceScythe on December 07, 2013, 11:37:07 AM
You studied socialism for 20 years? That's impressive.
I'm not quite sure if 'impressive' is the right word. Perhaps 'mad' is more appropriate ;)
Nevertheless, .politics. is my lifelong hobby, I know the theory and practice in and out.
I don't like .politics. and don't see how you could like it, seeing as the word itself translated from Latin means "many blood sucking creatures" . I just don't see how you could do that for 20 years and be sane and not smug and jerkish like most other politicians you see and hear about
Stare long enough into the abyss and the abyss stares back at you.
I'm not sane, I'm merely under control ;)
.politics. is a love and hate relationship for me, I love freedom and I hate socialism for stifling freedom ;)
Perhaps I should have said 'science of law and economics' rather than .politics.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method FTW!
Quote from: Piotr on December 08, 2013, 02:02:20 PM
Quote from: Mozilla butcher on December 08, 2013, 01:36:50 PM
Quote from: Piotr on December 08, 2013, 05:48:42 AM
Quote from: IceScythe on December 07, 2013, 11:37:07 AM
You studied socialism for 20 years? That's impressive.
I'm not quite sure if 'impressive' is the right word. Perhaps 'mad' is more appropriate ;)
Nevertheless, .politics. is my lifelong hobby, I know the theory and practice in and out.
I don't like .politics. and don't see how you could like it, seeing as the word itself translated from Latin means "many blood sucking creatures" . I just don't see how you could do that for 20 years and be sane and not smug and jerkish like most other politicians you see and hear about
Stare long enough into the abyss and the abyss stares back at you.
I'm not sane, I'm merely under control ;)
.politics. is a love and hate relationship for me, I love freedom and I hate socialism for stifling freedom ;)
Perhaps I should have said 'science of law and economics' rather than .politics.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method FTW!
I am right about most politicians being smug and jerkish though, right?
Most politicians believe that goal justifies the means, while honest people don't ;)
Quote from: Apathy Reactor on December 08, 2013, 11:25:44 AM
the profound dumbness of Mary Antoinette never ceases to amaze me.
Consider this: her story was written by people who murdered her.
Mass shootings: the terrorist events in Miami and also the findings of firearms and explosives in someone's car for west Hollywood pride event are depressing. People still care what people do in their own private lives. There is no gay agenda, just people happy with being themselves. The fact there are still psychotic terrorist out there who believe they have the right to dictate how you live your private life is absurd.
Please don't spread ignorance and fear mongering
People that don't understand the difference between radical Islam and peaceful Muslims.
Generalizing a group of people based on the actions of a few...just...🙄
#Picard
Quote from: Taysby on June 12, 2016, 09:50:53 PM
Look up Islam. A lot of them believe in sharia law
Have you read the bible lately?
Quote from: Taysby on June 13, 2016, 01:52:39 AM
Are you going to contribute something to this discussion it just play te linguistics game trying to trip me up because I don't take an hour to revise my posts? :/
I agree with most of his points
.NSFW non-PG9.
If your words are biting you in the ass it ain't my fault. Stop saying ignant shiz bro..
Quote from: Taysby on June 12, 2016, 11:37:36 PM
A lot of Christians believe that killing people is bad
I'm not generalizing, or saying everyone is a radical terrorist. Unless I'm mistaken, Islam preaches Shari law, which is about controling people's lives. There are people who just live that law for themselves and don't try to push it on anyone, but regardless, it's still controlling their life
You're quite mistaken.
Quote from: Themugz on June 12, 2016, 07:27:25 PM
Please don't spread ignorance and fear mongering
Now that pissed me off. I was offered a job in Kuwait. I researched the place. They have capital punishment for gay people there in the region, so don't tell me about scaremongering when people die. FFS.
So, Taysby, you'd have no problem thrown in the same lot with the Christie stalker, since you're a white male, who has gone on record saying some condescending things about females?
I guess I'll have to watch you and have you stay away from any celebrities. You'll have to move to Iowa now ok?
The thing is, of course there are great, peaceful, friendly Muslims who wouldn't hurt a fly, however there are also Muslims who believe infidels, gay people, and the wrong kinds of Muslims should be killed. The peaceful ones are an unfortunate minority. I don't hate Muslims, or anything of the sort. I don't make judgements on someone based on whether or not they are Islamic, because the ones who live here, in the US, are a large part of that peaceful minority. It's a big religion though, and across the world, there's more violence and hate than you think. Fearmongering is stupid, but so is ignorance and insistence on not being offensive to anyone ever. Peaceful Muslims might tell you that extremists aren't true Muslims, but the extremists would tell you the opposite too. I'm inclined to believe the peaceful minority, but Islam is still the connection and instigating factor behind the terroristic groups executing Jews and Christians, beheading other Muslims, and shooting up our gay clubs.
Quote from: Taysby on June 13, 2016, 12:49:21 PM
Quote from: Kaylesh on June 13, 2016, 05:04:51 AM
So, Taysby, you'd have no problem thrown in the same lot with the Christie stalker, since you're a white male, who has gone on record saying some condescending things about females?
I guess I'll have to watch you and have you stay away from any celebrities. You'll have to move to Iowa now ok?
go .love. yourself.
Quote from: Taysby on June 13, 2016, 05:02:56 PM
And I didn't direct that just to him, I directed it to everyone. You don't seem to care what I mean spencer so you're being an ass and this is why we can't have discussions without name calling
I am doing nothing but quoting your sentences. I did not resort to name calling. You should be a bit calmer and more careful in sentence structure before you go off guns blazing. In the beginning I quoted this:
Quote from: Spencer Addington on June 12, 2016, 08:06:35 PM
Quote from: Taysby on June 12, 2016, 07:18:09 PM
No, I'm not racist
I quoted this because I thought it humorous that you had to say you weren't being racist when there have been quite a few discussions were I have thought otherwise.
Quote from: Spencer Addington on June 12, 2016, 11:04:59 PM
Quote from: Taysby on June 12, 2016, 09:50:53 PM
A lot of them
Quote from: Taysby on June 13, 2016, 05:02:56 PM
Quote from: Spencer Addington on June 13, 2016, 01:48:08 AM
Quote from: Taysby on June 12, 2016, 11:37:36 PM
I'm not generalizing
I quoted this because it was contradictory to what you had just said. You need to be a little more mature man.
I think he meant what I said.
I suggest you review the quote below, especially point #1.
The thing is, discussions are to be based on what you say. You were not saying what Apathy said, and your defense to quotes was: "that wasn't what I said" or "that wasn't what I meant". I suggest you say what you mean, and think about what you want to say.
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Apathy, your facts seem to be discordant with figures given by intelligence agencies:
QuoteNot according to Angel Rabasa, who is a senior political scientist at the RAND corporation. While conducting research for a 2014 book he coauthored, "Euro Jihad," he found that Western European intelligence agencies estimated that less than one percent of the Muslim population living within their borders are at risk for becoming radicals.
Note that this is an extrapolation of estimates gathered in Europe; Gabriel's claim refers to a percentage of Muslims worldwide. That total number is more than 1.6 billion, according to the Pew Research Center.
http://m.csmonitor.com/World/Security-Watch/terrorism-security/2015/0113/How-many-Muslim-extremists-are-there-Just-the-facts-please
Quote from: Kaylesh on June 14, 2016, 04:54:54 AM
Apathy, your facts seem to be discordant with figures given by intelligence agencies:
QuoteNot according to Angel Rabasa, who is a senior political scientist at the RAND corporation. While conducting research for a 2014 book he coauthored, "Euro Jihad," he found that Western European intelligence agencies estimated that less than one percent of the Muslim population living within their borders are at risk for becoming radicals.
Note that this is an extrapolation of estimates gathered in Europe; Gabriel's claim refers to a percentage of Muslims worldwide. That total number is more than 1.6 billion, according to the Pew Research Center.
http://m.csmonitor.com/World/Security-Watch/terrorism-security/2015/0113/How-many-Muslim-extremists-are-there-Just-the-facts-please
I don't believe I said anything about Europe, or the number of 'at-risk-of-becoming-radicals' in Europe. My facts were simply my view on the subject at hand, which I believe is pretty reasonable.
Quote from: Apathy Reactor on June 13, 2016, 10:42:50 AM
....The peaceful ones are an unfortunate minority....
Facts are facts, views are views. Especially in the case of sensitive topics like this, it is wise to not mix them.
Yet, I agree Islam is being used by oppressive regimes to exert power. However, it is my opinion that while we should be vigilant against those who would seek to harm us, we should also be wary to shy away the tolerant Muslims until they feel they have nowhere left to go but to the countries and powers that will subvert them into extremism, perhaps even against their will.
Quote from: Kaylesh on June 14, 2016, 11:06:52 AM
Quote from: Apathy Reactor on June 13, 2016, 10:42:50 AM
....The peaceful ones are an unfortunate minority....
Facts are facts, views are views. Especially in the case of sensitive topics like this, it is wise to not mix them.
Yet, I agree Islam is being used by oppressive regimes to exert power. However, it is my opinion that while we should be vigilant against those who would seek to harm us, we should also be wary to shy away the tolerant Muslims until they feel they have nowhere left to go but to the countries and powers that will subvert them into extremism, perhaps even against their will.
Fair enough, and I'm with you on that.
Quote from: Apathy Reactor on June 14, 2016, 12:36:21 PM
Quote from: Kaylesh on June 14, 2016, 11:06:52 AM
Quote from: Apathy Reactor on June 13, 2016, 10:42:50 AM
....The peaceful ones are an unfortunate minority....
Facts are facts, views are views. Especially in the case of sensitive topics like this, it is wise to not mix them.
Yet, I agree Islam is being used by oppressive regimes to exert power. However, it is my opinion that while we should be vigilant against those who would seek to harm us, we should also be wary to shy away the tolerant Muslims until they feel they have nowhere left to go but to the countries and powers that will subvert them into extremism, perhaps even against their will.
Fair enough, and I'm with you on that.
Rereading I realize there's an important *not* missing between to and shy. We should take care not to drive the "good" ones into the clutches of the "bad", so to speak.
Quote from: Kaylesh on June 14, 2016, 01:11:25 PM
Quote from: Apathy Reactor on June 14, 2016, 12:36:21 PM
Quote from: Kaylesh on June 14, 2016, 11:06:52 AM
Quote from: Apathy Reactor on June 13, 2016, 10:42:50 AM
....The peaceful ones are an unfortunate minority....
Facts are facts, views are views. Especially in the case of sensitive topics like this, it is wise to not mix them.
Yet, I agree Islam is being used by oppressive regimes to exert power. However, it is my opinion that while we should be vigilant against those who would seek to harm us, we should also be wary to shy away the tolerant Muslims until they feel they have nowhere left to go but to the countries and powers that will subvert them into extremism, perhaps even against their will.
Fair enough, and I'm with you on that.
Rereading I realize there's an important *not* missing between to and shy. We should take care not to drive the "good" ones into the clutches of the "bad", so to speak.
I knew what you meant though.
Quote from: Taysby on June 14, 2016, 02:55:51 AM
I did. But nobody cares. They just want to trip me up on wording so I can be that "idiot bigoted racist conservative" they think I am ;)
Maybe we simply think that you are capable of clear communications, as Apathy Reactor is, you just decide to ignore us and spend your time doing things other than editing your own posts for clarity? If we do, small wonder we do not appreciate.
^ I think you hit the nail on the head:
Taysby: we often correct or quote you to point out how inherently your statements can come across quite abrasive or ignorant; it doesn't mean that we don't like you or are out to get you. It's mainly a "maybe reread before you submit" I don't think anyone wants to identify a community member in such a defaulting label.
To be ignorant is not to be an idiot, but rather to not have knowledge of a subject. Don't base your facts off what the tv tells you, read multiple sources, both liberal and conservative so you can find middle ground and then you can wash off the political agendas in the left/right articles.
The "Muslim" in question for the Orlando pulse club shooting apparently was dabbling in the gay culture and for some reason he chose to lash out at people he was semi identifying with. That's just a crazy person being a domestic terrorist, just the same as any of the white boys who decided to shoot up a church of black people, a theatre of movie goers, a school of children. There's no ISIS or Al Qaeda agenda here. Just a nut job who decided it was his right to take the lives of others.
Remember Timothy mcveigh or the unabomber? White domestic terrorist, but our media chooses to go with the "he's got mental problems" rather than labeling them as domestic terrorist.
Yes, some Muslim countries are very strict on their policies, but aren't Christian based countries too? The new Filipino president elect stated: "if someone tries to sell you drugs and they won't let you arrest them, then you can kill them"
See how extreme that is? You can basically accuse someone of trying to sell you drugs and then kill them.
Edit 2: source http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/06/asia/duterte-drug-dealers-lethal-force-vigilantism/
That's stupid and idiotic. Christian based country...
Edit: boys was boy's and that bugs me as there was no proper possessive in that sentence
Quote from: Taysby on June 16, 2016, 01:05:37 AM
The only issue I have with that post is its not just the country that preaches intolerance, it's Islam also. Cult of dusty just barely made a video on that that covers it fantastic. I'd link it but it's get removed for swearing ;). He's on youtube
I would take the challenge that I could take ANYTHING and make a video of it showing it to be intolerant. The Old Testament (and thus the Torah) are pretty quotable too for hateful verses against those of other faiths. Pillars of western culture from the 19th century (including texts from the USA presidents) are filled with white supremacy.
I would recommend to you, Taysby, to not get swept away by opinions in popular media. Currently it seems Islam is getting into the position of Communism in the 70s.
As said before, people were very quick to jump onto the ISIS bandwagon, while now there claim seems to have been false, or at least other than religious motives have played.
I did, partially. The presenter thinking that yelling and swearing helps his point put me off about halfway.
Besides the way it was presented, there where quite the few factual omissions and inaccuracies.
Let's take the phrase: "Islam means submission". Factually correct, but taken out of its context. I'm not a native Arab speaker, but I do know it's a complex language, that derives much of it's translation from context. Like in English when you refer to an Ass, you could be meaning different things.
Let's take Wikipedia on this:
Islam is a verbal noun originating from the triliteral root s-l-m which forms a large class of words mostly relating to concepts of wholeness, submission, safeness and peace.[24] In a religious context it means "voluntary submission to God".
And, as stated before. I could take pretty much anything, give it a hatchet job, and present it as something else.
Quote from: Taysby on June 17, 2016, 12:17:40 PM
Ok. Then I'll respect your opinion. When it says in a ton of places "if you see someone being gay, kill both of them" that seems a little absurd to me
Wasn't that the basics of sodam and Gomorrah in the Old Testament
Quote from: Rass on June 17, 2016, 01:01:25 PM
Quote from: Taysby on June 17, 2016, 12:17:40 PM
Ok. Then I'll respect your opinion. When it says in a ton of places "if you see someone being gay, kill both of them" that seems a little absurd to me
Wasn't that the basics of sodam and Gomorrah in the Old Testament
Not quite. The people in Sodom and Gomorrah would rape people. There's a part where they try to break into someone's house to rape their visitors. (Genisis Chapter 19). By today's standards they were absolutely awful places, whether you're okay with gay relations or not, forced sex of any kind is not okay.
I'm fuzzy on the Old Testament, and honestly lots of it doesn't sit well with me. But if you read the New Testament Christians are called to treat everyone kindly. Period. Yeah, that means the anti-gay parades and you'll burn in hell speeches are not something that I believe the bible advocates. Jesus himself saved a prostitute from getting stoned (and not the good kind).
However raining fire and brimstone on a town full of rapists sounds like justice to me.
(I've taken a fair amount of apologetics and would be considered a Christian, though I have no desire to be associated with a lot of people that call themselves Christians.)
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on June 17, 2016, 04:34:28 PM
Quote from: Rass on June 17, 2016, 01:01:25 PM
Quote from: Taysby on June 17, 2016, 12:17:40 PM
Ok. Then I'll respect your opinion. When it says in a ton of places "if you see someone being gay, kill both of them" that seems a little absurd to me
Wasn't that the basics of sodam and Gomorrah in the Old Testament
Not quite. The people in Sodom and Gomorrah would rape people. There's a part where they try to break into someone's house to rape their visitors. (Genisis Chapter 19). By today's standards they were absolutely awful places, whether you're okay with gay relations or not, forced sex of any kind is not okay.
I'm fuzzy on the Old Testament, and honestly lots of it doesn't sit well with me. But if you read the New Testament Christians are called to treat everyone kindly. Period. Yeah, that means the anti-gay parades and you'll burn in hell speeches are not something that I believe the bible advocates. Jesus himself saved a prostitute from getting stoned (and not the good kind).
However raining fire and brimstone on a town full of rapists sounds like justice to me.
(I've taken a fair amount of apologetics and would be considered a Christian, though I have no desire to be associated with a lot of people that call themselves Christians.)
Haven't been forced to read the bible in a while. But my understanding of the two cities was they were full of all sinners and the 7 deadly sins. Especially know for anal sex of men. Hence the name sodom and the term sodomy.
Really don't care that the New Testament gives different views. If someone is an extremist they will take what they want from the teachings that's all I'm trying to explain. I haven't read the Koran (not sure if I spelled it correct) but I would guess it's similar to the bible and full of contradictions. Thus anyone can take bits and pieces to use as ammunition for their own personal adjenda.
Quote from: Rass on June 17, 2016, 05:03:51 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on June 17, 2016, 04:34:28 PM
Quote from: Rass on June 17, 2016, 01:01:25 PM
Quote from: Taysby on June 17, 2016, 12:17:40 PM
Ok. Then I'll respect your opinion. When it says in a ton of places "if you see someone being gay, kill both of them" that seems a little absurd to me
Wasn't that the basics of sodam and Gomorrah in the Old Testament
Not quite. The people in Sodom and Gomorrah would rape people. There's a part where they try to break into someone's house to rape their visitors. (Genisis Chapter 19). By today's standards they were absolutely awful places, whether you're okay with gay relations or not, forced sex of any kind is not okay.
I'm fuzzy on the Old Testament, and honestly lots of it doesn't sit well with me. But if you read the New Testament Christians are called to treat everyone kindly. Period. Yeah, that means the anti-gay parades and you'll burn in hell speeches are not something that I believe the bible advocates. Jesus himself saved a prostitute from getting stoned (and not the good kind).
However raining fire and brimstone on a town full of rapists sounds like justice to me.
(I've taken a fair amount of apologetics and would be considered a Christian, though I have no desire to be associated with a lot of people that call themselves Christians.)
Haven't been forced to read the bible in a while. But my understanding of the two cities was they were full of all sinners and the 7 deadly sins. Especially know for anal sex of men. Hence the name sodom and the term sodomy.
Really don't care that the New Testament gives different views. If someone is an extremist they will take what they want from the teachings that's all I'm trying to explain. I haven't read the Koran (not sure if I spelled it correct) but I would guess it's similar to the bible and full of contradictions. Thus anyone can take bits and pieces to use as ammunition for their own personal adjenda.
recently read genesis for school, and the mane thing for sodom, was that they were rapists, like people said. It was implied that gay sexual relations were evil, but the mane thing that made god destroy sodom was the rape. They tried to rape 2 angels god sent down there to check on sodom (these angels were 'men' btw). I would definitely say as a whole the old testament is very anti-gay, and homophobic.
@Rass: You see, that's why I hesitate to call myself a Christian. But in reality if you actually read the bible it does not justify the actions of those extremists. 9/10 it'll condemn them. But I'll admit my faith is shaken when I read stuff like "if your kid is disobedient take him out and stone him as an example to the other kids."
The connection between the Muslim and Christian faith is that Muslim teachings are basically a BC (literally before Christ in this context) version of the Christian faith. Then it got warped pretty ridiculously.
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on June 17, 2016, 07:30:44 PM
@Rass: You see, that's why I hesitate to call myself a Christian. But in reality if you actually read the bible it does not justify the actions of those extremists. 9/10 it'll condemn them. But I'll admit my faith is shaken when I read stuff like "if your kid is disobedient take him out and stone him as an example to the other kids."
The connection between the Muslim and Christian faith is that Muslim teachings are basically a BC (literally before Christ in this context) version of the Christian faith. Then it got warped pretty ridiculously.
We're in the same boat, my friend.
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on June 17, 2016, 07:30:44 PM
@Rass: You see, that's why I hesitate to call myself a Christian. But in reality if you actually read the bible it does not justify the actions of those extremists. 9/10 it'll condemn them. But I'll admit my faith is shaken when I read stuff like "if your kid is disobedient take him out and stone him as an example to the other kids."
The connection between the Muslim and Christian faith is that Muslim teachings are basically a BC (literally before Christ in this context) version of the Christian faith. Then it got warped pretty ridiculously.
How is Islam BC when Islam was founded in the early 7th century AD?
Also, remember, early Christianity, especially Catholicism, had a forced conversion or die mentality. A lot of "pagan" religions were exterminated by Christianity's slow march across Europe
It seems that Islam is going through its dark ages period much like the Christians did in Europe in the days of the Catholic Churches crusades.eventually I'm sure the religion will splinter into more accepting branches and this extremism will be just a dark spot on its history.
Quote from: Nephalia on June 17, 2016, 11:25:50 PM
It seems that Islam is going through its dark ages period much like the Christians did in Europe in the days of the Catholic Churches crusades.eventually I'm sure the religion will splinter into more accepting branches and this extremism will be just a dark spot on its history.
There are currently eight denominations of Islam, of which two are widely known, Sunni and Shia. The other generally accepted branches are Sufism, Ahmadiyya, Ibadi, Mahdavia, Quranist, and Yazdânism.
Quote from: rarehuntertay on June 17, 2016, 11:32:38 PM
Quote from: Nephalia on June 17, 2016, 11:25:50 PM
It seems that Islam is going through its dark ages period much like the Christians did in Europe in the days of the Catholic Churches crusades.eventually I'm sure the religion will splinter into more accepting branches and this extremism will be just a dark spot on its history.
There are currently eight denominations of Islam, of which two are widely known, Sunni and Shia. The other generally accepted branches are Sufism, Ahmadiyya, Ibadi, Mahdavia, Quranist, and Yazdânism.
I knew of Sunni and Shia but not the others. Thanks! Research time.