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Started by Piotr, May 18, 2016, 01:08:41 PM

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Piotr

Quote from: Rass on May 21, 2016, 04:11:47 PM
Lol

The reason I said this about Donald is because I noticed that he only says things which are true objectively (for example, illegal emigrant murdered lady in California, ISIS terrorists murdered lots of people in Paris and Brussels), or which cannot be disproven (Hillary wants to abolish 2nd amendment) or jokes (blood coming out of her wherever). With the media repetition, over time people notice that things Trump says actually are never lies which can be proven by scientific method. Not all recognise this consciously, but the trick works.

I told you at the beginning of this, people do themselves great disservice underestimating the man, he does things on purpose and not by accident.

Rass

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"A Polish convicted criminal yesterday admitted kidnapping and murdering a 9 years old girl who squirted him with a water pistol as he drank beer in Calais while waiting for a ferry to Britain."

Polish person kills someone lets keep them out of the United States.


Quote"Donald Trump Is Against 'Gun-Free Zones' But Guns Aren't Allowed on Many of His Properties, Staff Says"

Trump likes free guns except at his hotels.

Kaylesh

Quote from: Piotr on May 22, 2016, 10:03:38 AM
Quote from: Kaylesh on May 22, 2016, 03:48:27 AMIf desired I could do a review paper on it..

I for one think that would be splendid.

A lot of people agree that behaviour displayed by Hillary over many many years in regards to gun control can be explained by her wanting to abolish the 2nd Amendment.

{Donald Trump} said {Hillary Clinton} wants to abolish the 2nd Amendment, but I see it as example of him using the same weapon liberals used for years. He claims to know what the intent of the other party is, and he reveals this intent to be malicious. Lots of people agree, but it cannot be proven or disproven.
The point of me quoting the source I did, was not for the sake of what Trump said, but for the fact checking behind it.
The fact checking did not support the fact he claims as truth. That was the point I was making.

Kaylesh

This leads me to a question of myself:
If false is the opposite of true, an argument which is not true is by definition false, am I right?
With a lie being defined as a false statement, that would constitute that any argument that cannot be proven to be true is a lie, by Imtg law. As such, when Trump makes a statement he cannot prove, does he not lie?

I'm asking this to check my logic, not in order to provoke any attack.

Piotr

Quote from: Rass on May 22, 2016, 11:42:20 AM
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"A Polish convicted criminal yesterday admitted kidnapping and murdering a 9 years old girl who squirted him with a water pistol as he drank beer in Calais while waiting for a ferry to Britain."

Polish person kills someone lets keep them out of the United States.

This does not sound right. The logical punishment for murdering little children is half an hour in a room full of nitrogen and nothing else. Death penalty is fair for children murderers.

If you can prove to yourself with objective math and logic that Polish people have significantly higher rate of murderers and terrorists among themselves than other nations, I can understand why would you keep the Poles out of your property or at least prioritise the migration. It is cheaper this way than vetting every single Pole, and you have limited local resources, but it is not ideal. Patterns exist.

Quote from: Rass on May 22, 2016, 11:42:20 AM
Quote"Donald Trump Is Against 'Gun-Free Zones' But Guns Aren't Allowed on Many of His Properties, Staff Says"

Trump likes free guns except at his hotels.

He has the right to do this as it is his property. Fair enough. We retain the right to stay clear of Trump's properties, we are free to do so if we do not feel safe there.

Piotr

Quote from: Kaylesh on May 22, 2016, 01:16:42 PM
The point of me quoting the source I did, was not for the sake of what Trump said, but for the fact checking behind it.
The fact checking did not support the fact he claims as truth. That was the point I was making.

Fact is something which is objective, like Hillary voting record when she was a Senator. You 'making  a point' is not fact checking.

Did she or did she not vote as if he intended to remove 2nd Amendment from the Constitution of the USA altogether? Did she at any point abstain from a vote reducing the access to self defence tools to American people? I bet that your fact checking would reveal, that she believes in removing 2nd Amendment from the constitution, as her friends do.

Piotr

Quote from: Kaylesh on May 22, 2016, 01:30:58 PM
With a lie being defined as a false statement, that would constitute that any argument that cannot be proven to be true is a lie, by Imtg law.

No, it is undefined according to logic of reality. For the convoluted explanation, consider the cat in poisonous box. Or simply try to divide something by zero. It cannot be done so we don't know what would be if we did it.

For the woman in you , it is a 'maybe' ;]

LinkCelestrial

Proof by lack of evidence is a fallacy. A fact "science" seems to so commonly ignore. I say "science" because using the proof by lack of evidence fallacy is hardly scientific.

Spencer Addington

Quote from: Piotr on May 21, 2016, 03:25:16 PM
I see. The reason people relate so strongly to Trump is because he speaks the truth, unlike typical politician you describe.
What is truth really? One persons truth may not be lined up with another.