While in the past we allowed free access to iMtG Server updates, as we upgraded and matured our service we started requesting additional payments from our customers.
You will still receive the Database Updates through Apple App Store as we include these in the regular functional updates. Many of you purchased perpetual license in form of "Have It All", but updates through Apple App Store can never be as prompt as our dedicated iMtG Server.
So if you have purchased the 'I have it all' you won't have to pay additionally?
Quote from: ELLERfeller on January 14, 2017, 03:06:37 PM
So if you have purchased the 'I have it all' you won't have to pay additionally?
No, but if you actively play a fluid tournament format such as Magic the Gathering's Standard then you will benefit from up to date iMtG Server database updates. Otherwise you will have to wait for next iMtG version to see all current data, if that is ok?
As a modern player I'm content with a slower update speed
So how long are we waiting for Aether Revolt? Also this means we won't get updates if the data is not proper? This doesn't seem like the way things should be going. I've paid for it all twice now. Not a fan of not able to get data.
Quote from: reezel on January 14, 2017, 11:07:33 PM
So how long are we waiting for Aether Revolt?
You can have it now (http://imtgapp.com/forum/index.php?topic=51859.0) if you pay $0.99 for the month in which you want to receive upgrades from iMtG Server not the slow way through App Store. If you would not have All unlocked, this would also unlock all modules for the entire month. Unlocking iMtG Server for a longer period reduces the price per month substantially while still unlocking All functionalities for the period of subscription.
Apple recommends that we update the app no more often than fortnightly. While we will update app as often as we have bugfixes and feature updates to deliver to you, our target for this is once a month and we hope to achieve it later in the year. For the time being it is more like 5-10 days.
Quote from: reezel on January 14, 2017, 11:07:33 PM
Also this means we won't get updates if the data is not proper?
In theory, but in practice Apple does not look at the data yet, they are still more focused on improving their automated tests for software itself.
Quote from: reezel on January 14, 2017, 11:07:33 PMThis doesn't seem like the way things should be going.
Hey bro. The alternative (http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/magic-software/third-party-programs/338712-best-magic-application-for-iphone) is to shut down the project, is this where we should be going, you think?
I am happy to provide continuous service to paying customers, but I'm not happy to work for free for entitled *s (that is why I deleted their posts in this thread).
You paid for iMtG and I supported you for free with Database Updates through iMtG Server since 2011.
You paid for iMtG Plus at the time when Apple made a total mess of their iOS SDK and they dd not know where they are heading, but in the process you got a spare app for your Apprentice or to keep your other collection separate, on the same device. I use it to keep separate Inventory of all my non-MTG stuff, since all iMtG apps integrate with iOS Photos and display the photo of the object you keep in Magic Binders.
You paid for software and you have it, with perpetual license, so from the moral and legal stand point I owe you nothing. You are not entitled and never were to enslaving me as your personal Database Update provider for free for the rest of your life just because you forked less than 25 bucks over the 5 years. I am not your slave, I am just the maker of software and I have family to feed.
I upgraded our App for free through the .loving. mess Apple SDK upgrades were all the way from iOS4.3 to now iOS9.3 and you can even have iMtG compiled with iOS10 if you want to invest in iMtG U.
The 'buy once and get the service for free, forever' business model was never sustainable, that is why "Have it All" description ALWAYS read: "Unlock everything, now and forever. Includes all modules but excludes monthly iMtG Server access fee."
I hope this makes sense, take it or leave it ;]
I'm slightly confused, so as someone with have it all but not buying monthly access, will I never get a database update again?
Quote from: Thefluffymacheen on January 15, 2017, 12:51:50 PM
I'm slightly confused, so as someone with have it all but not buying monthly access, will I never get a database update again?
You will, as the current Database Update ships included in the regular App updates pushed to you by Apple through App Store. But this is not as expensive as maintaining the iMtG Server and we are happy to provide Database Updates through this slow channel for free (apart from the ugly Ads if you don't have it unlocked, that is). Hope this makes sense?
So when we update the app it updates the database. Thanks a ton for clarifying :)
From my understanding:
Everything is still the same except for the updates for the cards database (i.e. A new set), you will have to wait till the App Store updates in order to get the new database.
I believe card prices will still update normally (drag down to refresh) - (please correct me if I'm wrong)
Access to forums etc is still free.
so for those impatient and need constant updates for sets, fixes to database etc, they can pay $1 the month the set comes out or the desire to update to a current database.
It's not terrible a guy wants to make money for an app he still supports, I've bought several apps over the years the just lose updates after certain Os updates, I think some people just look at $184 as a ton of money...but over 20 years, it's $9.20 a year to have constant updates etc
Just some alternative perspective for everyone. For $10 this app has served me well for how much I put time into Mtg.
So does this mean that as updates are generated, they will be pushed to the App Store, or are we waiting until code updates are ready to go?
Quote from: KangaRod on January 15, 2017, 07:40:48 PMI know he says that he always has that caveat about server fees but I certainly don't remember reading anything about it.
Lol thats the problem I have with the 'let me eat a cookie and have it' people ;] Thanks to the Founding Fathers that we have the justice system that we have, so I can prove you wrong in any court, my frenemy ;]
Quote from: Themugz on January 15, 2017, 03:17:28 PM
(please correct me if I'm wrong)
I think some people just look at $184 as a ton of money...but over 20 years, it's $9.20 a year to have constant updates etc
Thanks, bro, you got it right ;]
The Half Life thing is actually Full Life as it works same way as All does: you can restore it for free within the same iMtG app and Apple ID on any of your devices, anytime you are connected to App Store, so after 20 years you just hit Restore Updates and Bob's your uncle ;)
'Underpromise, overdeliver'.
Quote from: reezel on January 16, 2017, 12:12:23 PM
So does this mean that as updates are generated, they will be pushed to the App Store, or are we waiting until code updates are ready to go?
The deal we have with Apple decides that we will be waiting for code updates, so while at the moment the updates are quite frequent, our long term aim is to reduce the functionality updates to what Apple recommends which I believe to be 'around 1 month'.
If I change the app so that when you buy iMtG Server subscription while having All modules enabled the subscription period will be doubled - would you be happy to subscribe?
Quote from: Piotr on January 16, 2017, 03:31:24 PM
If I change the app so that when you buy iMtG Server subscription while having All modules enabled the subscription period will be doubled - would you be happy to subscribe?
I'm not sure I am really down with any subscription model right now.
The answer I am looking for is, when there is a new database update, will you be putting them up on the server as well as pushing to Apple? If that's the case, then I can be patient and wait the few extra days.
Yes, shortly after.
Short is a term relative to interpretation
It could take up to a month for an app update. So aether revolt will not be updated to its proper set (currently spoilers) until the next app update
I'm sure with a subscription available now, data bases and spoiler info will be up sooner than in the past.
Quote from: Piotr on January 16, 2017, 03:31:24 PM
If I change the app so that when you buy iMtG Server subscription while having All modules enabled the subscription period will be doubled - would you be happy to subscribe?
So since I bought it all, I'll get 2 years with a year subscription ($10)?
Quote from: Themugz on January 18, 2017, 01:29:31 PM
Quote from: Piotr on January 16, 2017, 03:31:24 PM
If I change the app so that when you buy iMtG Server subscription while having All modules enabled the subscription period will be doubled - would you be happy to subscribe?
So since I bought it all, I'll get 2 years with a year subscription ($10)?
If I change the app, yes. Would you subscribe under these circumstances? This question is open to anyone, really.
I honestly would it would be a great offer and a show of good will towards the ones who have invested thus far.
I'd like to point out I'm no fan of subscriptions of any form.
Quote from: ELLERfeller on January 20, 2017, 11:45:33 AM
I'd like to point out I'm no fan of subscriptions of any form.
I'd like to point out that I'm no fan of working for free.
Either we meet somewhere in the middle, in which will have an app, or we wont. Guess what happens then? ;)
I'd subscribe $10 for 2 years
Great incentive for the app with more support than before
Let me know where to send money to :)
Perhaps mtgo prices may be factored in eventually?
Great.
We will outsource all of the payment processing to Apple (as PayPal has lost their way), so the way to go is wait for the version which says in Main Menu -> Shop: "Have it All doubles the remaining iMtG Server time.", it should say "triples" if you have iMtG Plus, and just buy it through App Store.
Decision regarding MTGO and EU market prices is postponed until TCGplayer's pricing API v4 is available (slight delay here) or until release of their own app (whichever comes first) so we can see where we fit on the current market. TCG were an ok partner over the years, but they would not last nearly as long in a professional environment where SAP ERP systems are being implemented and maintained.
I understand SCG Mobile is dead but I do not know since when?
Quote from: Piotr on January 22, 2017, 03:45:13 AM
Great.
We will outsource all of the payment processing to Apple (as PayPal has lost their way), so the way to go is wait for the version which says in Main Menu -> Shop: "Have it All doubles the remaining iMtG Server time.", it should say "triples" if you have iMtG Plus, and just buy it through App Store.
Decision regarding MTGO and EU market prices is postponed until TCGplayer's pricing API v4 is available (slight delay here) or until release of their own app (whichever comes first) so we can see where we fit on the current market. TCG were an ok partner over the years, but they would not last nearly as long in a professional environment where SAP ERP systems are being implemented and maintained.
I understand SCG Mobile is dead but I do not know since when?
Regardless EU pricing:
Will there be possibilities in the future for additional price search options to other foreign languages? (Def something worth paying for!)
Looking forward to new updates
You know what, I've thought about it, and for $10 I will subscribe for 2 years. Let me know if this is going to be implemented.
Yes, we will add the multiplier in 7.0.3 but if you get iMtG Server before 7.0.3 hits the App Store, with 7.0.3 upgrade you will get 2 or 3 months extra on top of it multiplying the remaining time by 2 or 3 (depending if you are on iMtG or iMtG Plus).
Quote from: KangaRod on January 24, 2017, 03:34:08 PM
I also would probably subscribe $10 for 2 years.
If I understand correctly I can purchase 1 year for $13.99 (CAD) currently and then when the next version comes out it will have the option to "double your current subscription" which will be free to activate for current "I'll have it all" members?
No, it will be an unsupported one-off in the background without any user interaction, so if you are not sure what you are doing, wait for 7.0.3.
Quote from: Shadowolf on February 18, 2017, 04:18:33 PM
KangaRod, did you delete your app and then reinstall it. I'm being told by Piotr that because I deleted the app, it deletes the subscription. But I had not deleted until this issue started. I am having the exact sam issue as you, as there are others that appear to be having the same issue. But there has not been any resolution offered by Piotr.
No, you are not having the same exact issue. Calm down and contact Apple App Store as I directed you.
Do not make yourself vulnerable to legal litigation through http://ultimatelaw.org charity which protects indie developers from slander.
Quote from: KangaRod on February 18, 2017, 02:45:49 AM
So I purchased the 1 year subscription just now for $13.99 (which it looks like got upgraded to 15 months) but it still brings me to the store when I try and update the database when it prompts me.
I thought it didn't go through, so I almost purchased it again and fortunately it said that I already have it.
How do I update the database?
If it did not give you the iMtG Server Expiry Date, then it did not got through and you should NOT have been charged by Apple. If they charged you, ask them to give you your money back as they did not inform the app that the payment was made.
If the app displayed "15 months" message, it means it worked and you got extra months calculated into your Expiry Date, but you can still lose the subscription by deleting the app before the purchase is saved on iCloud or Gathering servers.
Quote from: KangaRod on February 19, 2017, 06:13:54 AM
I did get the time period this time, but it said 15 months; but you had said it would be 2 years for us with the have it all?
You got extra months calculated into your Expiry Date.
Quote from: KangaRod on February 19, 2017, 06:17:38 AM
I don't know if you saw or not, but it still doesn't appear to be working.
And you still appear to miss the point why. First of all, I have not seen the receipt for your purchase and because you are one of the people who believe that goal justifies the means, I do not trust you a bit - with all due respect which is none.
Second, when you buy a car and are unhappy with one of its functions you do not burn the car down in order to restore this function, which you allegedly did by deleting your app before it had any chance to sync its state to iCloud or Gathering.
Luckily iMtG did sync successfully for me and many other good people, so excuse me while I remain sceptical to your claims, KangaRod. Perhaps if we did not have a history of you insulting me publicly in the past for no good reason, I would be more sympathetic.
And my clone.
Quote from: Piotr on January 22, 2017, 03:45:13 AM
Decision regarding MTGO and EU market prices is postponed until TCGplayer's pricing API v4 is available (slight delay here)
I'm told by TCGPlayer that they postponed go live for this to April. We will see how it goes.
i dislike this whole pay for server business, i didnt think that when i payed the 15 bucks i would have to pay more. I play all formats but i would like access to the current cards asap. I wish i wouldnt have to wait for update and personally i feel it would be better if we got the current cards immediently, even if the bundle did cost a few bucks extra. oh well, i guess I'll give you guys MORE of my money
Unfortunately communism does not work in practice, so exchange of money is necessary to keep iMtG services alive. If you want the bundle that includes 20 years worth of iMtG Server services, buy iMtG U.
I'm happily busy with my day job business Proper Code Ltd based 15mins off London's Heathrow airport, within commutable distance to London's richest offices where we help people close their SAP and IT issues.
From the point of view of my family, making people happy through Proper Code (https://propercode.co.uk) is far more effective than the iMtG project. Other than bugfix patches, we will not provide any app upgrades to iMtG and iMtG Plus through Apple App Store in the near future.
As our product matures, we are switching to yearly releases.
For next major release we will focus on improved Scanner with AI integrations.